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Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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> what is the risk tradeoff for a young child, who effectively has zero risk of serious covid? This is only true if you consider death the only "serious" outcome. Around 25% of children and adolescents who get COVID-19 will get "long COVID", with long-term effects we've just begun to understand. Plenty of "young-ish healthy people" have suffered debilitating effects.

Essentially all children and adolescents will get Covid if they somehow haven't had it already. Something like a quarter of the population being physically disabled to even a mild degree is an extraordinary claim requiring evidence in kind.

I guess it's fortunate that we have almost three years' worth of data conclusively establishing this fact, then!

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/...

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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> While I think it is certainly fair to talk about the policies of other countries, I don't think just because another country has a different policy necessarily dictates that policy is better or worse. Sure. But if a person is aware that other countries have different policies, that gives them a legitimate reason to question whether the policy of their own country is correct. If a person looks into the matter, and d…

I trust that when I drive over a bridge it won't collapse. But I cannot say I know that the bridge won't collapse. Knowledge is a true and justified belief. But trust is not a justification - quite the opposite. If you had a justification, you wouldn't need trust. Trust whomever you want, on whatever basis you want, but that's fundamentally not reason or rationality, it's just an argument from authority [1]. No state…

> Trust whomever you want, on whatever basis you want, but that's fundamentally not reason or rationality, it's just an argument from authority [1]. No statement becomes more true just because someone said it, regardless of who they are.

A statement can become more likely to be true just because someone said it, depending on the nature of the statement and the person making it. For example, my brother is an oncologist. If I had some health concern about cancer, I would certainly be asking for his opinion. His opinions on that topic are not guaranteed to be correct, but as an oncologist, they are significantly more likely to be correct than that of the average person.

One problem with the frequent popular invocation of claimed "fallacies", such as "argument from authority", is many of them are only strictly speaking fallacious when used as purely deductive arguments, but real world human reasoning isn't purely deductive, it involves a great deal of induction and abduction as well. There is nothing inherently wrong with an "argument from authority" as an inductive or abductive argument.

> Knowledge is a true and justified belief. But trust is not a justification - quite the opposite. If you had a justification, you wouldn't need trust.

One can estimate the conditional probability P(proposition X is true|agent A says that X is true) based on observations of what kinds of things agent A (or other significantly similar agents) has said in the past, and how many of them turned out to be true or false. You can then use that conditional probability estimate to inform your own decision as to how much credence to give to proposition X. That is both trust and justification.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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When I got second dose of covid pfizer, I remember feeling really strange. My heart was beating really irregularly and I felt like I was struggling to breathe. My vision also started to gray out in a really weird way. I thought I was going to die in that pharmacy for a few minutes. When I snapped out of it, I was covered in sweat

To this day, I don't know if it was a panic attack or a heart attack. Regardless, probably never getting another vaccine after this because just seeing a needle is enough to freak me out

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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I am vaccinated but I am upvoting this post because I believe that it is important to investigate these cases to determine how to improve future vaccines. I really don't like how this topic seems to be treated like some fringe conspiracy theory. Maybe it is just a conspiracy, but we won't ever know until sufficient research has been done. Currently, I still believe that people should vaccinate, even if vaccines cause…

The problem here isn't the study---of course we should study possible vaccine side effects. The problem is the massive leaps of logic being made by people who have (quite wrongly, based on available evidence) become convinced that the vaccines are a greater threat to healthy people than the virus is. As unlikely as it is that an otherwise healthy young person will die from covid, it is even less likely that they'll d…

As someone who is also fully vaccinated, I am not sure how you can say it is overall good simply because most people will not react poorly. That is like saying Russian Roulette is a perfectly fine game to play because only one person is going to die, and that's OK.

Shouldn't people decide that for themselves?

Note, I am not saying you are saying it is not that they should decide for themselves, it is more that yours is the same logic used to defend vaccine mandates.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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post #67

I am vaccinated but I am upvoting this post because I believe that it is important to investigate these cases to determine how to improve future vaccines. I really don't like how this topic seems to be treated like some fringe conspiracy theory. Maybe it is just a conspiracy, but we won't ever know until sufficient research has been done. Currently, I still believe that people should vaccinate, even if vaccines cause…

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Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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When I got second dose of covid pfizer, I remember feeling really strange. My heart was beating really irregularly and I felt like I was struggling to breathe. My vision also started to gray out in a really weird way. I thought I was going to die in that pharmacy for a few minutes. When I snapped out of it, I was covered in sweat To this day, I don't know if it was a panic attack or a heart attack. Regardless, probab…

I had the same experience. I will never get a booster. Besides the ten minutes of thinking I was going to die, I ended up getting a severe case of COVID within 60 days of the "vaccine".

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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the more interesting unaddressed question is, for whom ? i am a young-ish healthy person, i have basically no risk of ending up in the hospital for covid. what is the risk tradeoff for people similar to me, rather than an abstraction of the entire population? what is the risk tradeoff for a young child, who effectively has zero risk of serious covid?

> what is the risk tradeoff for a young child, who effectively has zero risk of serious covid? This is only true if you consider death the only "serious" outcome. Around 25% of children and adolescents who get COVID-19 will get "long COVID", with long-term effects we've just begun to understand. Plenty of "young-ish healthy people" have suffered debilitating effects.

The long COVID myth is being debunked.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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The vaccine isn't preventing COVID, it's just limiting symptoms. Does it lower the risk of myocarditis from COVID? I just looked. The Vaccine doesn't lower your risk of getting myocarditis if you still become infected by COVID.

You are wrong. The vaccine absolutely reduces your odds of getting covid in the first place.

According to https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vb...,

During the past 60 days for people 18-49 (the cohort sizes are suspect) COVID cases per 100,000 were as follows:

Not fully vaxxed: 98.0

Fully vaxxed: 70.3

Boosted: 92.8

For 49-64 (again with the cohort sizing) per 100,000 cases are:

Not fully vaxxed: 90.0

Fully vaxxed: 86.7

Boosted: 96.7

Over 65 cases: Not fully vaxxed: 390.05

Fully vaxxed: 284.2

Boosted: 161.7

So if you're young and healthy if you're boosted, you're hardly getting any protection.

If you're middle aged, it doesn't look like you're getting any protection from getting infected and if you're boosted, you may be increasing your risk.

If you're old and vulnerable, you should absolutely take the vaccine.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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> approved religious exemption The wording is a telltale sign that the exemption is pure BS.

You might not like that the exemption exists, but it's legal in the USA. Would you rather that religious beliefs were not respected by the government?

I'd prefer that we not all pretend that 2000-year-old religions somehow magically dictated that vaccines were bad. They obviously didn't. These obviously are not legitimate "religious" beliefs. Religion is transparently being used as a cloak for political beliefs fueled by misinformation.

Taking covid-related "religious" beliefs seriously only undercuts societal respect for actual religious belief.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Multiple US universities still mandate the shots for young students in total opposition to Europe, for example: Harvard [0], Yale [1], Tufts University [2], University of California [3], New York University [4], University of Notre Dame [5], Boston University [6] [0] https://www.harvard.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-informa... [1] https://yalecollege.yale.edu/get-know-yale-college/office-de... [2] https://coronavi…

Both seem mainly corrupted by finance, the later less than the former.
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