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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ergocoder »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #641
ergocoder wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it annoy you? If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. I don't give a shit if I will be labeled as a hypocrite. My family and kids come first no matter what. Wouldn't you do the same? Would you be like oh damn my kid has to die because I can't be a hypocrite?

> If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. That's fine but he should at least admit he has been a hypocrite and stop attacking Twitters moderation policies.

Oh I see. You want him to admit out loud.

In your world, people are not allowed to update their opinion quietly?

I bet even you don't follow that rule.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

jacquesm wrote: post #631
mlindner wrote: post #492

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This confuses the issue though. ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement and if an aircraft was going to takeoff that had an unknown ICAO number he'd have someone at the airport to figure out it was Elon's jet that had changed it's ICAO number. Your link will only be val…

I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

A masked stalker, dressed all in black, was following his young child in car thinking it was him. He then blocked the car and jumped on the hood: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Imagine it were your child. Can you honestly say you wouldn’t change any opinions or practices when it came to personal security?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jacquesm »

ergocoder wrote: post #602
WatchDog wrote: post #247

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Yeah, the hypocrisy is what annoys me the most. Not only does it contradict his direct statement about not banning @elonjet, it contradicts his statements about twitter policy being decided by a committee, as well as his numerous other statements about allowing free speech in general. The policy itself I think makes some sense, although it's interpretation is ripe for abuse, just posting any random picture of someone…

Why does it annoy you? If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. I don't give a shit if I will be labeled as a hypocrite. My family and kids come first no matter what. Wouldn't you do the same? Would you be like oh damn my kid has to die because I can't be a hypocrite?

> If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first.

It might be, but there isn't a shred of proof that it actually is.

Elon is quite literally hiding behind his youngest child in order to get away with something that he simply wanted to do anyway. He painted himself in a corner and this is his way out.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by theteapot »

IntelMiner wrote: post #636
theteapot wrote: post #489

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"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another liberal boondoggle that they can endlessly smear their opponents with to attract voters.

Damn you really "owned the libs" with that 180

Cheers. I'll sleep well tonight.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by oxfordmale »

kybernetyk wrote: post #621
geysersam wrote: post #605

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Feel for the guy and his family. But 1. This has nothing to do with the location of his private jet. 2. You can't do whatever you want, even to protect your family. Elon has a lot of power, he can't be allowed to abuse it because some guy decided to stalk him.

Twitter is his private property. He can ban whomever he wants.

Technically yes, however, by his own admission this is a genuine safety concern. Based on his own admission,the EU would expect a consistent ban on all accounts that share such information, not just the account that targets Elon Musk.

I am sure this will fly below the radar, however, once again shows there is no consistent moderation policy across Twitter. So far it seems Musk will only respond if it affects his own family.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ergocoder »

IntelMiner wrote: post #642
ergocoder wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it annoy you? If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. I don't give a shit if I will be labeled as a hypocrite. My family and kids come first no matter what. Wouldn't you do the same? Would you be like oh damn my kid has to die because I can't be a hypocrite?

That's why absolutism is a laughable farce when it comes to "free speech"

He tweeted a few times that he is not a free speech absolutism.

For example: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

Unless, of course, you think people are not allowed to update their opinion.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jacquesm »

standardUser wrote: post #467
ClassicOrgin wrote: post #263

What I really like about ElonJet and Sweeney's other accounts is they included emission estimates. Really blew a hole in the idea that you could ever consider Musk or Gates to be environmentalists. A recent Musk flight between Washington and Miami emitted 9 tons of CO2 [1], which is nearly double what a fuel inefficient car would emit each year. How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of c…

When people try to pin carbon emissions on an individual's travel it sounds willfully obtuse if not completely disingenuous. The trajectory of climate change will not be altered by a few thousand billionaires taking fewer flights. You know this, I know this, we all know this.

That's not how solidarity works though.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by panda-giddiness »

theteapot wrote: post #430
pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Doxxing is not free speech. The sensible majority of people understand that. It's only a vocal small minority of idiots and troublemakers that argue otherwise.

Posting public information about a public figure is not doxxing.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ergocoder »

jacquesm wrote: post #653
ergocoder wrote: post #602

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Why does it annoy you? If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. I don't give a shit if I will be labeled as a hypocrite. My family and kids come first no matter what. Wouldn't you do the same? Would you be like oh damn my kid has to die because I can't be a hypocrite?

> If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first. It might be, but there isn't a shred of proof that it actually is. Elon is quite literally hiding behind his youngest child in order to get away with something that he simply wanted to do anyway. He painted himself in a corner and this is his way out.

> there isn't a shred of proof

There is a video of a stalker that followed him from the airport. That is not enough?

Apart from that, I would generally be concerned if there is a twitter that tracks my vehicle in real-time. Wouldn't you be concerned too?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by hkt »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #652
jacquesm wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

A masked stalker, dressed all in black, was following his young child in car thinking it was him. He then blocked the car and jumped on the hood: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 Imagine it were your child. Can you honestly say you wouldn’t change any opinions or practices when it came to personal security?

Maybe don't shuttle your kids around on a private jet..?
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