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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jacquesm »

mlindner wrote: post #492
TehCorwiz wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…

This confuses the issue though. ICAO numbers change if your aircraft is enrolled in the PIA program, which Elon is. Sweeny was bypassing this by using people on the ground to circumvent this by watching the jet's movement and if an aircraft was going to takeoff that had an unknown ICAO number he'd have someone at the airport to figure out it was Elon's jet that had changed it's ICAO number. Your link will only be val…

I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by baby »

SXX wrote: post #21
mjn wrote: post #11

This appears to be the new policy: https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1603165959669354496

I wonder how does Elon expect any journalist to follow these rules? Big chunk of information from press is reporting on public figures location and sometimes this include reporting in real time.

Important question: does journalism need to be live information?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jacquesm »

kjksf wrote: post #447
TehCorwiz wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…

https://twitter.com/scottwww/status/1490553502640140288 > Elon uses the FAA PIA privacy program for a private plane ID. When using a PIA address, the owner is anon and private, not public. Sweeney’s workaround is (likely) to spot a (rare) ICAO plane resembling Musk’s & noting the private code. You can no longer claim it's public. It was de-anonymized in some way. It's no longer a case of reposting public information…

Why are you reposting this multiple times? It's not the end run you think it is: long after that point Musk declared grandly that he would not ban the account because of his stance on free speech.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by bjourne »

akiselev wrote: post #312
plandis wrote: post #126

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Legal action being taken against the person who pulled public flight information and published already public information? The sad part is I’m sure Elon can bury this guy in fees even if the lawsuit is ultimately ruled as entirely without merit.

IANAL so correct me if I’m wrong but it looks like Musk has a decent chance of getting SLAPPed back [1] to kingdom come. Twitter may be a private entity but the lawsuit is clearly meant to stifle the distribution of public information. Now that he owns one of the largest social media platforms used to distribute stuff like CALFire emergency announcements, that jet information is not only already public but arguably t…

State courts have ruled anti-SLAPP laws unconstitutional. They likely can't protect Sweeney at all.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by IntelMiner »

theteapot wrote: post #489
p1necone wrote: post #427

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"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another conservative boondoggle that they can endlessly talk about to attract voters. Of course actually trying to put it in practice immediately falls apart, but that's not the point. Nobody on the malicious side of the "malicious or stupid?" scale actually wants everyone to have unfettered freedom of speech (see: republican outrage at LGBTQ rights, people teaching/learning about sys…

"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another liberal boondoggle that they can endlessly smear their opponents with to attract voters.

Damn you really "owned the libs" with that 180

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by zigman1 »

natch wrote: post #616

The quality of the discussion here in this thread is just pathetic. Dang is this what HN has become?

I've noticed this lately as well. I think it is to be expected, Reddit is getting worst and worst every year, people are leaving Twitter etc. and they are all looking for alternatives.

I really hope HN can steer away from the classic narration of a great place getting too popular to sustain the quality.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by oxfordmale »

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

I would somewhat understand if Elon also blocked related accounts following other celebrities.

Allegedly he had the chance to buy it for £50,000. It might have been more value for money than Twitter.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by philosopher1234 »

baby wrote: post #622
plandis wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legal action being taken against the person who pulled public flight information and published already public information? The sad part is I’m sure Elon can bury this guy in fees even if the lawsuit is ultimately ruled as entirely without merit.

Come on. That is such a bad faith argument to read on HN. There is a difference between open data and someone publicizing it. I know you hate musk but let’s not write reddit-level comment please. If it had been a personality you liked you would have written a totally different comment.

Elon musk is worthy of hate.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jacquesm »

1MachineElf wrote: post #569
memish wrote: post #388

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My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

Hard to tell if this comment is left-wing rhetoric or right-wing satire.

Usually the comment history will tell you.
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