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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by aeternum »

donatj wrote: post #384
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

I think it comes down to tangible harm vs intangible theoretical harm. Anyone can claim intangible harm from anything. Doxing someone is a real tangible harm with very likely dangerous outcomes. Having an opinion is not.

Knowing the location of your plane is theoretical harm.

If someone actually attacks you based upon that location, now it is tangible harm. It's too easy to conflate the two.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by encryptluks2 »

jacquesm wrote: post #92
KyleJune wrote: post #84

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Maybe the booing in person and Dave Chappelle's comment about the booing being pending civil unrest spooked Elon a bit. His right wing shit posting on twitter reaches a lot of people and many dislike him for it. I've been seeing a lot more people posting about boycotting Tesla and associating ownership with his views. I drive a Tesla and frequently people bring up Elon to me. I usually just tell people I don't like/c…

I don't want to support this guy in any way shape or form. The damage he's doing is rapidly undoing any good that he's done so far and he's on the expressway to net-negative territory. I'm sure you have a point though: to step out of his bubble of yes-men must have been a cold shower.

Musk is well aware he is in a bubble. I'm not even going to pretend that he realistically thinks that everyone just loves and agrees with him.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by [deleted] »

fsckboy wrote: post #418
memish wrote: post #388

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My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

some people's personal information, if broadcast, puts them in danger like Salman Rushdie, while with most people nobody cares about them. what's your snappy hypocrisy koan for that? Salman Rushdie's exercise of free speech but not revealing where he was made him some kind of huge hypocrite? some people's personal information is in the public interest, like Al Gore's electric bill or how often he and John Kerry fly t…

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ShredKazoo »

chris11 wrote: post #480
ShredKazoo wrote: post #435

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Elon said: >Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. From https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737 You can see Twitter's full policy here: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info... A hypothetical account that broadcasted the location of marginali…

Trust and Safety is an extraordinarily difficult problem to handle at scale. Ideally guidelines should be public and applied consistently. That's a high standard. Elon came in saying he was pro free speech, even saying ElonJet wouldn't be banned. But he fired moderation teams and replaced them by personally making individual decisions. Twitter can't get consistent application of public guidelines from that.

>Trust and Safety is an extraordinarily difficult problem to handle at scale. Ideally guidelines should be public and applied consistently. That's a high standard.

Agreed.

>Elon came in saying he was pro free speech, even saying ElonJet wouldn't be banned. But he fired moderation teams and replaced them by personally making individual decisions. Twitter can't get consistent application of public guidelines from that.

I agree, but the previous admin was not even trying to meet the "public and applied consistently" standard (see Twitter Files). So I'm hopeful that there will still be improvement in the long run. Hopefully this is a teachable moment for Elon.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by themitigating »

Natsu wrote: post #438
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

Elon is claiming this is the new standard going forward: "[Elon] added that any account revealing people's real-time locations will be suspended "as it is a physical safety violation"."

So he made a rule so he could ban someone that was (supposedly) affecting him.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by encryptluks2 »

LouisSayers wrote: post #106
meepmorp wrote: post #19

He is completely making this up as he goes along. Edit: he's still completely asking this up as he goes along

In certain circles they'd call "making it up as they go" iterating on a product...

Yes... when companies promise lifetime subscriptions for software and then change the terms to remove those promises, it also produces outrage.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by alphabettsy »

Natsu wrote: post #438
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

Elon is claiming this is the new standard going forward: "[Elon] added that any account revealing people's real-time locations will be suspended "as it is a physical safety violation"."

Does this include paparazzi or celeb sighting photos?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ShredKazoo »

somewhat_drunk wrote: post #475
memish wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

Being canceled =/= being terrorized irl. Why does this even need to be said?

In this particular case, there was an attempt at terrorizing Elon IRL. So why shouldn't attacks on him therefore count as "stochastic terrorism", insofar as "stochastic terrorism" is a meaningful concept?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by theteapot »

p1necone wrote: post #427
pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another conservative boondoggle that they can endlessly talk about to attract voters. Of course actually trying to put it in practice immediately falls apart, but that's not the point. Nobody on the malicious side of the "malicious or stupid?" scale actually wants everyone to have unfettered freedom of speech (see: republican outrage at LGBTQ rights, people teaching/learning about sys…

"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another liberal boondoggle that they can endlessly smear their opponents with to attract voters.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by Master_Odin »

gfodor wrote: post #477
Eji1700 wrote: post #419

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Thank you. I’m sick of seeing so many people defend this nonsense by portraying it as a safety issue. This issue is public. It’s required to be public. Someone pointing out public info is not a safety issue

This is such a ridiculous take. It’s widely considered doxxing if you republish public information that makes it easy to find a person’s actual location. Without getting into the weeds on this specific issue, the idea that any public information being republished on social media can’t have safety consequences is absurd. If, for example, the information about where someone lives is buried on a buggy government website…

It's doxxing if the info was not meant to be public, but was leaked via some source unintentionally. It's not really doxxing if you take info that's broadcast to the public by law and use that. I put out my resume that has my name, address, and phone number on my public website and I wouldn't consider it doxxing if someone uses that info.

If Musk doesn't want to get tracked, he can take a regular airplane like other people, or maybe borrow a plane from someone he knows, and not use one that's registered to his business.

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