Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by prvc » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:00 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #99

medellin wrote: post #91

Elon posted just now saying the reason for this was someone was stalking his child last night thinking it was him and blocked the car.

Very believable. Of course spouting a load of nonsense about former Twitter employees to the point that they have to evacuate their home is perfectly ok by that same token.

>Of course spouting a load of nonsense about former Twitter employees to the point that they have to evacuate their home

"Evacuating" one's home != "having" to evacuate one's home

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by neuronexmachina » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:00 AM UTC

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Sweeney's personal account has also been suspended: https://twitter.com/jxcksweeney

Some additional info: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/14/elonjet...

> On Wednesday evening, the account was briefly restored, with Twitter outlining new rules seemingly designed to prevent Sweeney from posting the real-time locations of planes used by Musk and other public figures as long as he included a slight delay. Sweeney, over Twitter, asked Musk how long he’d have to delay the data to comply.

> But Wednesday evening, Musk threatened to escalate the conflict against Sweeney, saying a car carrying Musk’s son, X Æ A-12, had been “followed by [a] crazy stalker” in Los Angeles, implying without providing evidence that location data had been a factor in the purported episode. “Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family,” Musk tweeted.

> Sweeney, 20, shared publicly available information about Musk’s flights, not his family members or his cars. The records stopped and ended at airports, and Musk has provided no further detail as to what legal basis Musk would cite in a lawsuit.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by hairofadog » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:01 AM UTC

KingOfCoders wrote: post #470

hajile wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 15 largest shipping container ships produce as much sulfur pollution as all non-commercial cars on the entire planet put together. There's thousands of those ships. Of all vehicle pollution, something like 95+% of it is large commercial vehicles. Your switching from a truck to a car makes effectively ZERO difference in global emissions. If EVERY non-commercial vehicle in the US went down to ZERO pollution, it wou…

One mouse drops more mice hair in nature than all humans (~8B!) combined!

One mouse do what now?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by encryptluks2 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:03 AM UTC

nickv wrote: post #465

As a reminder, as Elon talks about personal safety, this is the man who posted personal information about a former employee of his on twitter that ended with him having to “move his entire family because of the death threats that showed up” https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/ex-twitter-employ...

The guy is a walking contradiction.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by somewhat_drunk » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:05 AM UTC

memish wrote: post #388

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

Being canceled =/= being terrorized irl.

Why does this even need to be said?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by darkteflon » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:05 AM UTC

meepmorp wrote: post #77

darkteflon wrote: post #43

Im reminded of this excellent article from a mere 12 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33832866

Phew, it's from November 2nd - I was wondering why it seemed like longer than 12 days since I'd read it. It's been incredibly accurate.

Oops, yes quite right. 12 days ago was just the date of discussion here.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by gfodor » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:05 AM UTC

Eji1700 wrote: post #419

TehCorwiz wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…

Thank you. I’m sick of seeing so many people defend this nonsense by portraying it as a safety issue. This issue is public. It’s required to be public. Someone pointing out public info is not a safety issue

This is such a ridiculous take. It’s widely considered doxxing if you republish public information that makes it easy to find a person’s actual location.

Without getting into the weeds on this specific issue, the idea that any public information being republished on social media can’t have safety consequences is absurd. If, for example, the information about where someone lives is buried on a buggy government website, packaging it up and broadcasting it onto Twitter to millions of people is a very meaningful event that has safety consequences to the person involved.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by asiangirl2445 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:07 AM UTC

p1necone wrote: post #427

pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

"Free Speech Absolutism" is just another conservative boondoggle that they can endlessly talk about to attract voters. Of course actually trying to put it in practice immediately falls apart, but that's not the point. Nobody on the malicious side of the "malicious or stupid?" scale actually wants everyone to have unfettered freedom of speech (see: republican outrage at LGBTQ rights, people teaching/learning about sys…

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by neuronexmachina » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:07 AM UTC

postmeta wrote: post #122

stefan_ wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes except for the part where it's a car not a plane and some random LA road not an airport. Except for these things it's a perfect match, grateful for this context. Although this "Elon Musk realizes he is not alone on planet" arc is quite interesting.

maybe they followed the car from the airport?

Is there an archive/screenshot anywhere of the posts from the ElonJet account immediately before it was removed? I'm curious what recent info (if any) it showed.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by chris11 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:08 AM UTC

ShredKazoo wrote: post #435

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

Elon said: >Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. From https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737 You can see Twitter's full policy here: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info... A hypothetical account that broadcasted the location of marginali…

Trust and Safety is an extraordinarily difficult problem to handle at scale. Ideally guidelines should be public and applied consistently. That's a high standard.

Elon came in saying he was pro free speech, even saying ElonJet wouldn't be banned. But he fired moderation teams and replaced them by personally making individual decisions. Twitter can't get consistent application of public guidelines from that.