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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by aeternum »

xupybd wrote: post #724
jszymborski wrote: post #666

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter. When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happ…

My hope was for a more transparent Twitter. I guess that's out the window too.

Agreed, I wanted to believe but this is disappointing.

Even worse, there's no transparency here: What rule was violated, how long is the suspension, etc.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by SXX »

memish wrote: post #779
perihelions wrote: post #109

He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering ("VF")). - "A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonje…

You missed the followup where it was reversed 2 days later. "It appears @ElonJet is longer banned or hidden in anyway." https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1602354433807061070

@ElonJet account is still suspended at the time when I leave this comment. 10 minutes after you posted this.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by KyleJune »

memish wrote: post #779
perihelions wrote: post #109

He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering ("VF")). - "A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonje…

You missed the followup where it was reversed 2 days later. "It appears @ElonJet is longer banned or hidden in anyway." https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1602354433807061070

That was 2 days ago, it was re-suspended yesterday.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

overgard wrote: post #595
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

It wasn't fairly lopsided, it was extremely lopsided.

Glenn Greenwald:

"This thread proves 3 things:

1) Twitter execs were regularly meeting with FBI over what to censor.

2) Twitter's censorship was almost 100% aligned with the Dem Party.

3) Twitter's chief censors were deranged ideologues abusing their power over our discourse to silence dissent."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1601591994165256192

If Greenwald isn't credible enough, I don't know what to say.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by erlich »

ancapsfascists wrote: post #98
seanw444 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't know why anyone thought Twitter would be a "bastion" of free speech. His history proves otherwise.

Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."

Who is the group that is cheering for a future in which everyone's location is shared with the world at all times?

I would argue there is not a single one.

If someone can explain how this is damaging to freedom of speech I am very interested to know.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by gtowey »

three_seagrass wrote: post #726
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

What's even more fascinating is how hot-button an issue Free Speech has become. Just look at some of the inflammatory replies to your comment that just mentions it. There's more going on with the semantics of the phrase being used to irrationally rile people up to outrage, rather than actually being about the definition of free speech.

"Free speech" has become a hot button issue because for the first time in history, oligarchs are in danger of losing the absolute control they have had over media and communication throughout history. What they actually want is to ensure that their propaganda cannot be silenced, while simultaneously still silencing voices they don't like. Calling it free speech is a way to make it seem like their fight is somehow in the interest of the common folk too.

It's all part of the game where they get to tell a story about how they're successful because they are smarter or more deserving or better than the rest of us, while the reality is that they are robbing us blind and making sure that we have no choice but to work for them to make them rich.

Events like the Panama Papers leaks are terrifying to them because is exposes how universally corrupt the rich and powerful are and how badly they are using their wealth to screw us. If that kind of information becomes commonplace then people would realize that our fight isn't between ideological left vs right, it is, and always has been rich vs poor.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Slighted »

Considering the fact that most people here don't consider doxing to be freedom of speech, I don't see what the problem is with this account being banned (Assuming of course that Musk himself actually banned it and it wasn't removed by another staff member or by algorithmic defenses).

"Its open source data!" So are the (perfectly legal) doxes on Kiwifarms, yet that's one of the largest reasons its vilified.

Additionally, I doubt most people here would be okay with another person very closely watching your movements including this kid if Musk decided to beat him at his own game by setting up cameras around his house (Funny what you can do with enormous amounts of money). Musk is still human whether you like billionaires or not. You'd think that a place like this would be more privacy-oriented and wouldn't be okay with any kinds of telemetry period, or at the very least would want it handled more carefully (Plane data handled by in-house FAA units rather that broadcasted to the web for anyone and everyone to see).

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by philosopher1234 »

memish wrote: post #804
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

If he was personally involved, then yes, that's fucked up. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion that he personally did this and it's not in error, which is a leap. It's the same as everyone who blamed Jack personally for bans that were later reversed. Let's see what the explanation is and whether it gets unbanned.

But elon musk owns the company. What it does is his responsibility. He is not some wayward ship swept up in a massive tide, he is the tide.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by gen220 »

alangibson wrote: post #609

I'm really embarrassed to have once been a Musk fanman (strictly as a space nerd). I know I shouldn't be, but I'm shocked at how much of a mendacious cretin he turned out to be. He, SBF, and many more like them are just a bunch of Chauncy Gardeners. People convince themselves that they're geniuses until one day the realization dawns that they've been dunces all along.

Hey, at least Chauncy wasn't delusional about his true powers or self-aggrandizing in seeking more power!

Still, it's a very apt reference these days, maybe all days. The narrative arc feels evergreen, in that the surreal irony feels like it would land (and be thoroughly entertaining!) in any era of human history.

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