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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by H8crilA »

jszymborski wrote: post #666

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter. When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happ…

Elon is simply an oligarch. An oligarch is a rich person that also has political power. Bleh.

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Post by toofy »

danans wrote: post #420
fnordpiglet wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

> why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? We don't expect that. He absolutely does have the right to do that. Pointing out his banning of the account simply demonstrates his free-speech absolutist hypocrisy. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

it’s worse than simple hypocrisy.

it demonstrates that he very well understands that posting things can lead to safety concerns.

he is gleeful when some people or groups have safety concerns from posts.

often he actively mocks them and portrays them as unreasonable if they express safety concerns and ask for some kind of help.

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Post by jacquesm »

ptero wrote: post #291
yanderekko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

I am rarely on twitter (just reading financial macro discussions, for which twitter seems to be a center of excellence), so probably have skewed priors. That said, skimming this information I see nothing particularly bad in banning the account that posted screenshots of internal confidential discussions. This has absolutely nothing to do with the freedom of speech. It is related to breaking the promise (made when joi…

An outsider being given access to confidential customer information in Europe would immediately be flagged as a GDPR violation, and given the circumstances it would probably be a reportable one as well. Don't make light of this.

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alangibson wrote: post #609

I'm really embarrassed to have once been a Musk fanman (strictly as a space nerd). I know I shouldn't be, but I'm shocked at how much of a mendacious cretin he turned out to be. He, SBF, and many more like them are just a bunch of Chauncy Gardeners. People convince themselves that they're geniuses until one day the realization dawns that they've been dunces all along.

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Post by jchw »

meepmorp wrote: post #731
jchw wrote: post #596

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I'm surprised this struck so much of a nerve here (based on votes and the reply.) Disappointed, but I'm not going to take it personally; if you're reading this and it's somehow pissing you off, I strongly suggest spending some time away from the computer.

> if you're reading this and it's somehow pissing you off, I strongly suggest spending some time away from the computer. I upvoted your first comment because it was a decent and reasonable one. I downvoted this one because your passive aggressive swat at people who disagree with you is bullshit. If you were actually not taking it personally, you wouldn't have mentioned it at all.

> I downvoted this one because your passive aggressive swat at people who disagree with you is bullshit.

Wow! I am genuinely blown away at how much you managed to unpack from that. I'm not trying to be condescending, but it's wrong.

Firstly, it's not about disagreement. Nobody posted a reply disagreeing, so I have no idea why or how someone would disagree with the post anyway. The only reply I had was agreeing with me, but I feel that response was quite hot-headed too.

Secondly, I get how "get off the computer" sounds like a "passive aggressive swat," but it's simply serious.

> If you were actually not taking it personally, you wouldn't have mentioned it at all.

I'm not sure how to respond to this, but just because I didn't take it seriously does not mean I have nothing at all to say about it.

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Post by lawn »

CommieBobDole wrote: post #356
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…

Same strategy as Trump then.

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Post by philjohn »

hn_go_brrrrr wrote: post #742
xupybd wrote: post #724

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My hope was for a more transparent Twitter. I guess that's out the window too.

I dunno, with all of the recent leaks, Twitters internal workings have all been made public. Sounds pretty transparent to me!

Does it? It doesn't to me. It feels like they've deliberately hand picked things that would rile up the base - dropping that the Trump admin requested content removed, but not showing that, then including an image of links the Biden campaign wanted removing, leaving out the fact that every single one of those links was non consentual intimage imagery of a private citizen is the antithesis of transparency to me.

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Post by jacquesm »

ActorNightly wrote: post #423
smcl wrote: post #99

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I think you have to ask yourself which of the following is more likely: 1. @elonjet suddenly started to engage in some extremist/TOS-breaking behaviour 2. Elon Musk changed his mind Given that #2 has happened a few times already, I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.

I dont think he changed his mind, its just clear what his goal in buying Twitter was from the get go - the "free speech absolutionism" is the PR speak for getting more conservative/right leaning people onto Twitter, and that goal is solely for Elon went hard right after TSLA was excluded from ESG Index (which happened under Biden), and Elons net worth is tied into TSLA stock pretty hard. In controlling Twitter, he ho…

At the rate he's destroying everything he should probably make a 'plan B' then because this one does not appear to be working on a time frame that will get him out of the hot water before the boiling point.

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Post by memish »

perihelions wrote: post #109

He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering ("VF")). - "A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonje…

You missed the followup where it was reversed 2 days later.

"It appears @ElonJet is longer banned or hidden in anyway."

https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1602354433807061070

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