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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

yosefk wrote: post #389
rrmm wrote: post #138

Surely, this will be addressed in the next installment of the "Twitter Files". /s

I feel like the really interesting part of "The Twitter Files" isn't the arbitrary moderation decisions made (we sort of knew what they were thru their implementation and it's hard for moderation to be "not arbitrary" whether you agree with the decisions or not) but the involvement of US government representatives in it. I'm neither a lawyer nor an American but AFAIK according to past SCOTUS rulings, it is illegal fo…

>it is illegal for the government to "outsource censorship" to private parties in order to silence speech protected by 1A. A relative of DNC's Podesta or an FBI lawyer working for Twitter add to the impression more than the legal argument I guess.

This is the entire story, but lede buried by MuskHate.

Does no one out here realize this is the same hate-everything-acknowledge-nothing behavior regarding Trump?

That you must hate the person and nothing else matters... "always shoot the messenger"... It seems clear as day to me, but I guess I'm the crazy one.

EDIT: It's called cathartic scapegoating. And if you point it out, it must mean you're a Trump loving far-right loonie toon. Look at the extent that people will go to prove they aren't just shooting the messenger right here, it's just evidence it is happening.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by _JoRo »

I'm kind of curious what people are most upset about here? 1. They just don't like Elon? 2. They are upset that despite Elon claiming to be a "free speech absolutist" that he is now suspending accounts posting public information? (hypocrisy) 3. They are free speech absolutists themselves and object to this censorship? 4. Something else?

Personally, depending on how often Elon is using this plane - I could see this as a form of doxxing (although not strictly). I think the publicity that the account has been receiving recently is probably why it got suspended. It will be interesting to see whether any other legal or social policy is created related to this issue.

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Post by JoelMcCracken »

yieldcrv wrote: post #278
WJW wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unwaveringly low?

He is using the concept of legal free speech correctly while memeing about a philosophical free speech that matches the colloquialism that many of his sycophants and observers think Legal free speech has only to do with retribution via criminal liability from government organizations, alongside freedom to disassociate from speech and expression that you don't like Twitter is not a government organization and is also…

So he's doing the same thing twitter was doing pre-acquisition, without pre-acquisition-twitter memeing about "philosophical free speech"?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by drcongo »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #357
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His narrative being petty things like "my pronouns are impeach/Fauci", since that's definitely something to spend $44B for.

I think the predictable right on cue overreaction is hilarious. Remember: Don't feed the trolls It's petty, I find it tasteless, but I still must admire how easily he plays everyone.

I'm surprised you find the sole of his boot tasteless.

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Post by barbariangrunge »

mannykannot wrote: post #11
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

His commitment to his free speech is unwavering.

Philosophically, I think his “freedom of reach” distinction is a hack/loophole without a strong basis.

Twitter is a promotion service, just like Facebook (in each, they let users promote themselves in exchange for being targeted for promotion by others). The entire point of it is to promote content. It is not a content platform, except by coincidence.

Once you “maximum derank” somebody, you are denying them access to the whole point of the service.

By all means, ban the users you don’t want. Keep your service free of toxicity. Nobody likes a forum full of trolls. But don’t call it “free speech”

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Post by rqtwteye »

I feel Musk is falling into the same trap most other social media celebrities with large followings fall into. At some point they get addicted to controversy and outrage as long as they get attention. He would be way better off if he cared more about his businesses and kept his mouth shut. The signs were already clear with all the nonsense he did during the Thai cave situation. He tried to suck up attention with his little submarine and then got mad when it turned out it was useless.

Jordan Peterson is another example of this. He used to have some good insights but what I have heard from him lately sounds very authoritative and appeals to his followers but is pretty hollow.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by iamdbtoo »

PeterisP wrote: post #333
mywittyname wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan, but I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire. For oppressive governments, it seems easier to monitor & block activity on one major social media platform, rather than quashing twitter and dealing with the dozens of platforms that rise from the ashes. Maybe it's a megalomaniac dictator thing, and I will never unde…

The public data about the deal seems to indicate that backers wouldn't care as they have solid collateral from Musk personally in form of Tesla stock, so unless Tesla goes down as well, the Twitter deal will be profitable for them as all the losses are on Musk.

$TSLA is down 60% YTD. I hope they got really good prices for that stock.

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Post by ActorNightly »

ancapsfascists wrote: post #98
seanw444 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't know why anyone thought Twitter would be a "bastion" of free speech. His history proves otherwise.

Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."

Nobody "fell" for it. Musk is (self admittedly) on the autism spectrum, and his eccentric behavior in the past is well known, but his business ventures traditionally have been towards improving society, even if they are misdirected.

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Post by idontpost »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #387
minimaxir wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

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