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'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by cyrus_ »

felipellrocha wrote: post #37
quanticle wrote: post #3

Some basic Constitutional law would have saved this guy the trouble. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has already ruled that travelers do not have the right to refuse searches at an airport [1]. You might disagree with the decision, but if you're going to pull a stunt like this, you should at least be informed on the current state of jurisprudence regarding airport searches. [1] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/…

Likewise, imagine if Rosa Park had thought of her day's jurisprudence when she refused to give up her seat back in 1955. "Man, I am tired from all the work today, but the courts say I should give up my seat." And, surely you meant "this woman," as she does say she has a husband in the article.

It is a woman, but simply having a husband doesn't imply that.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by Lost_BiomedE »

jballanc wrote: post #32

During the Cold War, there was this mentality held by leaders on both sides that said you could not show weakness to the enemy. It was this mentality that caused the Cuban Missile crisis, and that allowed it to be resolved by secret communication along privileged back-channels (all the while keeping public posturing such that neither side had to reveal any weakness). As idiotic as this mentality has always seemed to…

Note that the American disapproval rating of congress sits at 86% and an approval of 11% and dropping (Gallup polls).

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by Vivtek »

smokeyj wrote: post #38
maxklein wrote: post #21

For people like me who are afraid of flying, this lady is just disturbing the peace. People should be searched before being let on planes. If people are not searched, there will be more plane attacks and global transport will decline. Planes will always be targets for terrorists because of what they represent. The law is not about technicalities. It's about reason and sense, and sensible is that when someone is behav…

This dichotomy you present holds two points: a) the TSA has full rights to our person, or b) The terrorists win. Please consider there is actually a c-z. Let me put it this way. There are thousands of mechanical and electronic pieces on a plane, most of which were assembled by private enterprise. You trust them with your life to fly your ass miles through the air, and to land on a strip of tar -- safely, timely, and…

I'm not sure your A and B represent a dichotomy. They seem equivalent to me.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by ericflo »

jasonlotito wrote: post #35
maxklein wrote: post #21

For people like me who are afraid of flying, this lady is just disturbing the peace. People should be searched before being let on planes. If people are not searched, there will be more plane attacks and global transport will decline. Planes will always be targets for terrorists because of what they represent. The law is not about technicalities. It's about reason and sense, and sensible is that when someone is behav…

Yeah, disturbers of the peace, like that damn black woman who wouldn't move to the back of the bus. My peace > your rights. > If people are not searched, there will be more plane attacks and global transport will decline. Damn right, brother! I say we take this a step further, and start searching people when they enter the mall. I mean, a terrorist in the mall is just as dangerous. Especially during the holidays. Or…

Actually lots of schools have metal detectors now at all the entrances.

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Post by benmccann »

maxklein wrote: post #21

For people like me who are afraid of flying, this lady is just disturbing the peace. People should be searched before being let on planes. If people are not searched, there will be more plane attacks and global transport will decline. Planes will always be targets for terrorists because of what they represent. The law is not about technicalities. It's about reason and sense, and sensible is that when someone is behav…

> There is nothing strange about being seen naked by strangers, most of evolution we've been naked.

What about being bombarded by ionizing radiation? The millimeter wave machines don't bother me so much, but there's a reason they cover you with a lead vest when you're at the dentist. Full-body x-ray scanners are banned across Europe due to cancer concerns.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by [deleted] »

Vivtek wrote: post #46
[deleted] wrote: post #43

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The odds of a terrorist attack aboard a plane are so low because of heightened security. Get rid of it, and those odds are likely to increase. You can't possibly believe that. First, she read the freaking Constitution and was treated like a terrorist, and there's a name for that - and it's not security. Or American. Second, that "heightened security" is - with the exception of keeping cockpit doors closed - 100% pure…

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Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by grhino »

[deleted] wrote: post #43

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There are hidden costs to increased airport security. Money spent on increased airport security could be spent elsewhere.

The expected cost of a unwanted event should be less than or equal to the expected cost of preventing that event. The choice to implement a security policy should be a rational one.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by peterwwillis »

phaus wrote: post #40
jbooth wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so we've catapulted the whole defending the erosion of our rights thing and now we're into personally insulting the person who told the story. Good move, considering the grounds of your argument and all. I'll repeat my question.. how bad would it have to be for you to agree with civil disobedience?

I never said that I disagree with civil disobedience. I just don't agree with this woman's perspective on exactly what transpired in this situation. I've worked for the federal government my entire adult life. If you want to convince them to get rid of the TSA, the side asking for the change has to appear blameless. The way bureaucrats make decisions is not logical. If you give them 999 examples of the TSA breaking t…

Look at it this way.

A woman was terrified of the relatively minor consequences of speaking loudly in an airport. She did it anyway because she knew she should be allowed to. And we all learned a valuable lesson: our government and the airline industry allow innocent civilians to be subjected to abuse and detainment if they don't silently obey all commands regardless of how stupid they are.

This woman's efforts show everyone just how inhuman and wrong the system is. She can't change the system by herself. But if more people like her show up, maybe, just maybe, it can make a difference.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by makmanalp »

Lost_BiomedE wrote: post #52
jballanc wrote: post #32

During the Cold War, there was this mentality held by leaders on both sides that said you could not show weakness to the enemy. It was this mentality that caused the Cuban Missile crisis, and that allowed it to be resolved by secret communication along privileged back-channels (all the while keeping public posturing such that neither side had to reveal any weakness). As idiotic as this mentality has always seemed to…

Note that the American disapproval rating of congress sits at 86% and an approval of 11% and dropping (Gallup polls).

I call bullshit on that poll. People are not morons. If disapproval rating at congress was so high according to a representative poll group, then why aren't people voting in people that they do approve of? House terms are short. Senate terms are long but I don't think this 86% number would have happened overnight.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by jasonlotito »

ericflo wrote: post #54
jasonlotito wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, disturbers of the peace, like that damn black woman who wouldn't move to the back of the bus. My peace > your rights. > If people are not searched, there will be more plane attacks and global transport will decline. Damn right, brother! I say we take this a step further, and start searching people when they enter the mall. I mean, a terrorist in the mall is just as dangerous. Especially during the holidays. Or…

Actually lots of schools have metal detectors now at all the entrances.

Was referring to the scanners like they have at the airports, not mere metal detectors.
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