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'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by revdinosaur »

eternalban wrote: post #17
jberryman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you decide to yell out the words to the 4th amendment at the same exact moment you are being processed through the security checkpoint at an airport, you are intentionally trying to cause a scene. I can also easily see this kind of behavior causing a panic in the screening line. Maybe this isn't fair, but this is how I would imagine a right-wing domestic terrorist to act right before they blew themselves up. I…

TSA groping your children is "antisocial". So pray tell us where you plan to take "legal" political action on this matter? Or is your "right-wing domestic terrorist" remark indicative of your actually buying into this theatre?

Actually, her behavior (and narrative) is similar to that of "sovereign citizen" types who imbue all sorts of psuedo-legal meaning to the U.S. Constitution and what they think it allows them to do. Not all sovereign citizen groups are violent but there were two police officers murdered in TX in 2010 and several militias operating under this philosophy.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by marquis »

dustingetz wrote: post #33
gerggerg wrote: post #24

Lots of people commenting here seem to think that just because something appears to have no effect that it was a failure of an exercise and should have never happened. God forbid it cause a minor inconvenience to other humans. PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. Even if the effect it has seems insignificant. It doesn't matter if your an ass for doing it. It doesn't matter if some people think you we…

> PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. > Even if the effect it has seems insignificant. If a common civilian wishes to help, she can probably find a better way than standing up to some scripted peons. I wonder what her court costs are going to be. I wish she had donated that money to the EFF. The EFF is in a better position to fight this stuff intelligently, and at the right levels.

Ex-air force. She was extremely well-spoken and knew exactly what she was doing. I applaud her - everytime someone stands up to the farce it keeps us from forgetting that this is still an issue to fight for.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by randallsquared »

jberryman wrote: post #15
phaus wrote: post #2

When you decide to yell out the words to the 4th amendment at the same exact moment you are being processed through the security checkpoint at an airport, you are intentionally trying to cause a scene. This can and would be construed by any reasonable person as an attempt to disrupt the screening process. The author knew exactly what she was doing. While I'm not sure it was grounds for an arrest, she was maliciously…

> When you decide to yell out the words to the 4th amendment at the same exact moment you are being processed through the security checkpoint at an airport, you are intentionally trying to cause a scene. I can also easily see this kind of behavior causing a panic in the screening line. Maybe this isn't fair, but this is how I would imagine a right-wing domestic terrorist to act right before they blew themselves up. I…

this is how I would imagine a right-wing domestic terrorist to act right before they blew themselves up.

Have there actually been any right-wing suicide bombers? A quick google turned up only the fellow who flew his plane into an IRS office building as the closest thing to a "right-wing" suicide bomber, but I"m not sure that qualifies.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by jebblue »

rabidonrails wrote: post #31
BryanB55 wrote: post #14

I found this all pretty pointless... The TSA people were just doing their job. I will gladly be quiet or even assist them in any reasonable screening duties if it means keeping us safe. That is all they are trying to do, it's not like they have some malicious intent. In my opinion we are not giving up many rights by letting people see if we have any weapons us. If you do not want to go through the new body scanners t…

I think you're missing the point. She doesn't fault them for "doing their job," she finds fault with the fact that there is a government job in which she sees violations to the Constitution. Also, if you would like to let someone look at your possessions, that's your right. But, a government official cannot, without reasonable cause, demand to look at your property. I'm not saying I would have tried to pull this off,…

>> which she sees violations to the Constitution

If she disgrees then she should organize and conduct a legal protest.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by Vivtek »

[deleted] wrote: post #43

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The odds of a terrorist attack aboard a plane are so low because of heightened security. Get rid of it, and those odds are likely to increase.

You can't possibly believe that. First, she read the freaking Constitution and was treated like a terrorist, and there's a name for that - and it's not security. Or American. Second, that "heightened security" is - with the exception of keeping cockpit doors closed - 100% pure, unadulterated bullshit. Liquids in a plastic baggie? Give me a break. I get so tired of people not willing to think for a minute.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by Vivtek »

phaus wrote: post #40
jbooth wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so we've catapulted the whole defending the erosion of our rights thing and now we're into personally insulting the person who told the story. Good move, considering the grounds of your argument and all. I'll repeat my question.. how bad would it have to be for you to agree with civil disobedience?

I never said that I disagree with civil disobedience. I just don't agree with this woman's perspective on exactly what transpired in this situation. I've worked for the federal government my entire adult life. If you want to convince them to get rid of the TSA, the side asking for the change has to appear blameless. The way bureaucrats make decisions is not logical. If you give them 999 examples of the TSA breaking t…

the side asking for the change has to appear blameless.

Right there, you have your finger on the rot. First, why should there be sides? Second, why is it important to appear blameless instead of appearing right?

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by cyrus_ »

dustingetz wrote: post #33
gerggerg wrote: post #24

Lots of people commenting here seem to think that just because something appears to have no effect that it was a failure of an exercise and should have never happened. God forbid it cause a minor inconvenience to other humans. PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. Even if the effect it has seems insignificant. It doesn't matter if your an ass for doing it. It doesn't matter if some people think you we…

> PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. > Even if the effect it has seems insignificant. If a common civilian wishes to help, she can probably find a better way than standing up to some scripted peons. I wonder what her court costs are going to be. I wish she had donated that money to the EFF. The EFF is in a better position to fight this stuff intelligently, and at the right levels.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation doesn't really handle TSA-related issues (they might be interested in customs officers demanding access to your laptop without needing cause, but that's a different issue).

A better choice would be the ACLU.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by Vivtek »

randallsquared wrote: post #44
jberryman wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you decide to yell out the words to the 4th amendment at the same exact moment you are being processed through the security checkpoint at an airport, you are intentionally trying to cause a scene. I can also easily see this kind of behavior causing a panic in the screening line. Maybe this isn't fair, but this is how I would imagine a right-wing domestic terrorist to act right before they blew themselves up. I…

this is how I would imagine a right-wing domestic terrorist to act right before they blew themselves up. Have there actually been any right-wing suicide bombers? A quick google turned up only the fellow who flew his plane into an IRS office building as the closest thing to a "right-wing" suicide bomber, but I"m not sure that qualifies.

Oklahoma City? Although I suppose that wasn't a suicide.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by rdouble »

Vivtek wrote: post #49
randallsquared wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is how I would imagine a right-wing domestic terrorist to act right before they blew themselves up. Have there actually been any right-wing suicide bombers? A quick google turned up only the fellow who flew his plane into an IRS office building as the closest thing to a "right-wing" suicide bomber, but I"m not sure that qualifies.

Oklahoma City? Although I suppose that wasn't a suicide.

There was an incident in Austin in 2010. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/us/19crash.html
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