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'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by maxklein »

For people like me who are afraid of flying, this lady is just disturbing the peace. People should be searched before being let on planes. If people are not searched, there will be more plane attacks and global transport will decline. Planes will always be targets for terrorists because of what they represent.

The law is not about technicalities. It's about reason and sense, and sensible is that when someone is behaving like a crazy person, then take the person and find out why. Technical law is when a fixed sentence is applied for a particular crime (like marijuana possession), that is then applied without sense.

Smile and go through the scanner. There is nothing strange about being seen naked by strangers, most of evolution we've been naked.

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Post by easp »

phaus wrote: post #2

When you decide to yell out the words to the 4th amendment at the same exact moment you are being processed through the security checkpoint at an airport, you are intentionally trying to cause a scene. This can and would be construed by any reasonable person as an attempt to disrupt the screening process. The author knew exactly what she was doing. While I'm not sure it was grounds for an arrest, she was maliciously…

Cops lean on people they've decided are "undesirable" with the intent of provoking them to do something they can be arrested for. The FBI cultivates antisocial young american muslims until they entrap them into doing something so they can trot them out as boogeymen on CNN.

We can disagree with the ethics of such things, but is there disagreement that provoking a response can be a useful tactic?

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by Pelayo »

maxklein wrote: post #21

For people like me who are afraid of flying, this lady is just disturbing the peace. People should be searched before being let on planes. If people are not searched, there will be more plane attacks and global transport will decline. Planes will always be targets for terrorists because of what they represent. The law is not about technicalities. It's about reason and sense, and sensible is that when someone is behav…

She agreed to a search.

There are still doubts about the safety of the scanners. They have not been tested.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by gerggerg »

Lots of people commenting here seem to think that just because something appears to have no effect that it was a failure of an exercise and should have never happened. God forbid it cause a minor inconvenience to other humans.

PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. Even if the effect it has seems insignificant. It doesn't matter if your an ass for doing it. It doesn't matter if some people think you were trying to cause trouble. If you don't stand up for what you personally think is right what do you stand up for?

Was she right? Were the officers wrong? That's for you to decide but it doesn't really matter. She had a conviction to do what she thought was right, and hopefully inspired others to do the same. And I can't imagine not respecting her for doing so.

If the only time you could complain about SOPA was in airport security only the brave and scared would complain about SOPA. And you can bet others would find them annoying.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by easp »

peterwwillis wrote: post #7
phaus wrote: post #2

When you decide to yell out the words to the 4th amendment at the same exact moment you are being processed through the security checkpoint at an airport, you are intentionally trying to cause a scene. This can and would be construed by any reasonable person as an attempt to disrupt the screening process. The author knew exactly what she was doing. While I'm not sure it was grounds for an arrest, she was maliciously…

These stupid things are also incredibly brave and necessary. If you have no other way of fighting what you know is wrong, you have to provoke a response.

Some people dismiss the power and value of symbolism (particularly symbolism that doesn't resonate with THEM, even if it resonates with other people).

Perhaps this particular bit of symbolism, or the way it was deployed, won't end up being effective, but experimentation and iteration is key.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by phaus »

jbooth wrote: post #20
phaus wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She didn't accomplish anything besides making herself look like a lunatic. As I stated, I really hate the TSA and all of the abuses that have occurred, but this isn't going to help. The TSA has been guilty on numerous occasions of violating a person's constitutional rights. They have endangered the lives of some passengers and outright assaulted others. I really do hope that they are taken to task for the things that…

You know, I can understand not being brave enough to do this yourself. I'm not. But pooh-poohing those who do do it? "Proper channels"? Yeah, I'm sure they're getting right on it. How bad would it have to be before you stopped saying "Oh quit causing a disturbance"? I mean, this is already violating our most sacrosanct freedoms. Would I have to violate godwin's law to get you to agree with civil disobedience?

You seem to think that she is fighting the good fight on behalf of humanity. She is a professional writer who did this as a publicity stunt so she could write about the experience afterwards.

Her biggest accomplishment is that she managed to make one of the scummiest organizations in the United States appear to be in the right. Way to go freedom fighter.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by jbooth »

anamax wrote: post #13
peterwwillis wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These stupid things are also incredibly brave and necessary. If you have no other way of fighting what you know is wrong, you have to provoke a response.

> These stupid things are also incredibly brave and necessary. Suppose she had started reciting[1] the 10 commandments or jabberwocky? Would you have had the same reaction? If you go with "the US constitution is relevant" then she's got a problem. She claims that she didn't resist a search. That can only be true if she thinks that reciting US constitution clauses on search aren't relevant to the situation, namely a s…

I'm trying to wrap my head around this comment.

The 4th amendment guards against unreasonable search and seizure.

And you're saying "shame on her for refusing a search"?

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Post by e40 »

anamax wrote: post #13
peterwwillis wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These stupid things are also incredibly brave and necessary. If you have no other way of fighting what you know is wrong, you have to provoke a response.

> These stupid things are also incredibly brave and necessary. Suppose she had started reciting[1] the 10 commandments or jabberwocky? Would you have had the same reaction? If you go with "the US constitution is relevant" then she's got a problem. She claims that she didn't resist a search. That can only be true if she thinks that reciting US constitution clauses on search aren't relevant to the situation, namely a s…

> Suppose she had started reciting[1] the 10 commandments or jabberwocky? Would you have had the same reaction?

I suspect she would have gotten the same reaction, or something very near to it. When being herded through a TSA checkpoint, the last thing they want you doing is yelling.

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by jbooth »

phaus wrote: post #26
jbooth wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I can understand not being brave enough to do this yourself. I'm not. But pooh-poohing those who do do it? "Proper channels"? Yeah, I'm sure they're getting right on it. How bad would it have to be before you stopped saying "Oh quit causing a disturbance"? I mean, this is already violating our most sacrosanct freedoms. Would I have to violate godwin's law to get you to agree with civil disobedience?

You seem to think that she is fighting the good fight on behalf of humanity. She is a professional writer who did this as a publicity stunt so she could write about the experience afterwards. Her biggest accomplishment is that she managed to make one of the scummiest organizations in the United States appear to be in the right. Way to go freedom fighter.

Ah, so we've catapulted the whole defending the erosion of our rights thing and now we're into personally insulting the person who told the story.

Good move, considering the grounds of your argument and all.

I'll repeat my question.. how bad would it have to be for you to agree with civil disobedience?

Re: 'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'

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Post by MoreMoschops »

BryanB55 wrote: post #14

I found this all pretty pointless... The TSA people were just doing their job. I will gladly be quiet or even assist them in any reasonable screening duties if it means keeping us safe. That is all they are trying to do, it's not like they have some malicious intent. In my opinion we are not giving up many rights by letting people see if we have any weapons us. If you do not want to go through the new body scanners t…

It has been made very clear in many circumstances and cases that "just doing my job" is NOT an acceptable excuse.
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