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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by threeseed »

stcroixx wrote: post #179
themitigating wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to pre musk ban. The exact tweet was “I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE,” Someone was proposing incitement to violence has a threahold etc. This to me is clearly incitement to violence. Some have claimed he didn't know what "death con" (defcon) means to which I say what could he have possibly meant. It's on Jewish People.

Defcon is a defense term indicating a level of preparedness. I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Words matter even if he doesn't know what they mean. Would be very interesting to see that attempted. Personally, I think he probably meant something else that very likely could have been closer to an incitement of violence, but he doesn't have the…

Your argument is similar to that of Tesla and the term autopilot.

The technical definition of a word is not as important as the real world usage of the word.

And pretty sure most people would consider using Defcon in that way to be hostile.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by anigbrowl »

krapp wrote: post #186
nightski wrote: post #151

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People aren't as stupid as HN wants to think they are. Twitter will be judged based on how it actually evolves, not Musk's brand. Time will tell. Let's not pretend the site wasn't an absolute disaster before the acquisition though. If I clicked on even a single trending topic about a game or news item I'd often be presented with unfiltered hardcore porn. Then there would be topics of innocent things like landscapes t…

> If I clicked on even a single trending topic about a game or news item I'd often be presented with unfiltered hardcore porn. No, you wouldn't. Either you don't know what hardcore porn actually is, or you're exaggerating.

Disagree. I've come across numerous examples of people getting themselves or others off, usually spamming local area hashtags or trending topics. Seemed like exhibitionists/trolls as opposed to sex workers (who usually just tweet store-window erotica to promote their onlyfans and don't want to get banned).

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by ben_w »

dfxm12 wrote: post #242
ben_w wrote: post #221

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I don’t think that fits, because Musk’s every act since buying Twitter seems to have also driven away advertisers.

This gives Musk too much credit in being particularly skillful in gaining advertisers. He's trying, but he's just bad at it.

I don’t think I’m giving him any credit at all. I think, somehow, he’s currently acting even worse than I would if I somehow got parachuted into this position.

Which is really really odd because quite a lot of his previous PR stunts — the Easter eggs in the Teslas, the “ring of fire” SpaceX video, the trans-Martian Roadster, the announcement of the Cybertruck — are things I regard as pretty effective brand building.

But this? This is weirder than trying to build a civil engineering brand by labelling weed-removal-torches as "flamethrowers".

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by hackerlight »

mabbo wrote: post #80
mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

I think the context of the banning of Kanye West is important. Kanye posted some really super antisemetic things. At one point, he posted a picture of a swastika overtop of a star of David. Then he posted an unflattering picture of Elon Musk- and was banned within minutes. When Elon Musk says "free speech" he means "free speech for me, not for thee". You can say anything you like, as long as Elon likes it too.

There's another more likely interpretation. Elon told Kanye to cut it out in private. Kanye said no and realized he was about to be banned. So he posted that picture because of the incoming ban. He even said it's his last post.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by sidibe »

zimpenfish wrote: post #234
shrimpx wrote: post #210

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> unfiltered hardcore porn Another data point: Been using Twitter daily within the past two years and I’ve never encountered anything remotely close to the filtering blunder you describe.

Adding a tiny Gladwell: I've been using Twitter since 2007 and pretty much daily for probably 10 years and same, never accidentally encountered "unfiltered hardcore porn" clicking on trends or pretty much anything.

As time goes on, it turns out that pre-Elon Twitter is becoming more and more of a disaster. Now it turns out it was full of porn, and especially child porn which previous leaders didn't care about.

Also instead of a company struggling to be consistently profitable it was actually a complete dumpster fire that was doomed to fail in the near future if not for the timely intervention

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by hackerlight »

medvezhenok wrote: post #229
umvi wrote: post #175

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Well then the crux of the issue is that you cannot build a global free speech platform. What is free speech in USA is illegal speech in Germany, China, etc. If you really want a free speech platform, you can only really deploy it in countries that respect the same level of free speech (or greater) as your own. And that's leaving a lot of money on the table for publicly traded companies, hence free speech morals go ou…

Incitement to violence is illegal in the U.S.A. too. The line between hate speech and incitement to violence can get awfully blurry in some cases.

There is a line legally speaking, but not in reality if we're talking about the literal meaning of the words "incitement to violence". There are over three mass shooters in the US that were strictly radicalized by hate speech in online forums. That speech directly caused them to kill people.

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Post by hintymad »

zimpenfish wrote: post #100
hintymad wrote: post #52

> “Excuse me, boss, we’re getting reports that there are child sexual exploitation and abuse (CSAM) images and videos on the site.” God people just love projecting and assuming the worst. Didn't Twitter close 500K additional accounts for child sexual exploitation? And Twitter didn't change their content moderation policy on child porn, no?

> And Twitter didn't change their content moderation policy on child porn, no? They have gutted their moderation teams though - looks like there's one (1) left for all of Asia[1] - tens of millions of Twitter users. [1] https://www.wired.co.uk/article/twitter-child-sexual-abuse-m...

Yes, and this is the type of argument I also look for: looking at nuances and facts and what people do, instead of coming up with the most non-sensical worst-case scenarios and projecting them to the people we don't like.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

anon291 wrote: post #238
jakelazaroff wrote: post #164

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It's "not particularly relevant" except for the part where it was the reason they were banned . Deliberately misgendering someone is not the same as making fun of them. The Babylon Bee's entire punchline is just that they're using a hateful slur.

On the contrary, the bee and others would argue that giving awards for women to biological males who dress like women is yet another form of discrimination against women. How can you honestly say that the bee should be banned for using satire to point out discrimination against women and compare that to Nazi germany? This is the moral bankruptcy I was talking about

“How can you honestly say that someone should be banned for using satire to point out Jewish control of the banking system and compare that to Nazi germany? This is the moral bankruptcy I was talking about.”

You see how that sounds? How do you think the Nazis treated trans people? You think it turned out any better for them than for the Jews?

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Post by threeseed »

dmix wrote: post #177
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #132

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Email is one to one or one to many. Twitter is one to all. The burden of responsibility is different because of the scope of reach.

You can still choose who you follow on Twitter. It seems to be moving back towards that idea, which is good. It's pretty easy to avoid political bullshit if you are careful with following. For years Twitter used to make it impossibly hard to switch to just "latest tweets" instead of their awful recommendation feed which include likes/rts of people you don't even follow. No wonder Twitter became such a heated trainwre…

Not sure if you've used Twitter.

But the default behaviour is for you to see the Home feed which is populated with people you don't follow. So it is mostly just random topics and tweets from the most controversial people associated with that topic.

So you do see political bullshit. A lot of it in fact because Musk is clearly trying to juice the engagement numbers and having lots of controversial political tweets is a great way to do that.

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Post by threeseed »

chasd00 wrote: post #246
robofanatic wrote: post #163

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I can't see your email and you can't see mine, but I may see your tweets even though I don't know who you are.

> but I may see your tweets even though I don't know who you are. That sounds like a bug not a feature. If Twitter collapses i'll dance in the streets.

It is a feature from Twitter's perspective.

Seeing tweets from people you don't follow helps grow your network and in turn increases your engagement.

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