2. You can have a free for all hellscape of nazi man babies posting dank memes or you can have a business with ad revenue aside beyond scam supplements, gold funds, and maybe direct to consumer pillows. You can't have both. Nobody wants to wake up to find their product advertised alongside the most extreme wack job of the day. The "normies" will flee. Without normies or mainstream media attention the platform just becomes Parler or Gab - a bunch of troll farms and incel man babies - and recedes into irrelevance. I'm a normie. I find/found Twitter useful. Not so useful that I stick around bombarded with swastikas and wack jobs. At the end of the day Twitter is supposed to be a business and it has to be unless Elon buys out all of the bank debt and just subsidizes the whole infrastructure out of pocket (pro-tip this isn't happening).
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It's about money, not "free speech". Kanye posting hate speech drives away advertisers and twitter loses money. Musk is a grifter just like everyone else, his siren song being this "free speech" bullshit. The grift stopped working so he backpedaled. Seems fairly simple to me.
I don’t think that fits, because Musk’s every act since buying Twitter seems to have also driven away advertisers.
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#243Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…
It only goes against his "free speech thing" if his "free speech thing" was actually a coherent ideology. Instead his "free speech absolutism" is a brand, it's there to signal what kind of person he is, it's not a set of principles and therefore cannot stand up to scrutiny.
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Did he post a swastika? I'm not aware of what exactly got him banned. Wasn't Elon talking about the US anyway? Political speech itself is banned in many countries, so surely that wasn't his measure.
He also appeared on Alex Jones and was accompanied by white supremacist Nick Fuente and decided to go all in. The rapper said: “I see good things about Hitler … Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler.” Jones replied: “The Nazis were thugs.” “But they did good things too,” Ye said. “We gotta stop dissing the Nazis all the time.” “Oh my goodness … just because you don…
https://nitter.net/dappergander/status/1598497428340088834#m
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> This is the type of speech that Elon believes should be allowed, and I agree. And yet when the same satire it directed at Musk, he blows a gasket. Jeph Jacques[1] changed his profile picture and name to Musk's and tweeted (paraphrasing) "I like drinking my own piss first thing in the morning" and got permabanned for it. It was clearly satire to me, and broke no laws AFAICT. 1. Author of Questionable Content webcomi…
Rules against impersonation had been on the platform since 2018. IMO if you can't do satire without making your self indistinguishable from the person you are satirizing, you suck at it.
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#246One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…
I can't see your email and you can't see mine, but I may see your tweets even though I don't know who you are.
That sounds like a bug not a feature. If Twitter collapses i'll dance in the streets.
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Defcon is a defense term indicating a level of preparedness. I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Words matter even if he doesn't know what they mean. Would be very interesting to see that attempted. Personally, I think he probably meant something else that very likely could have been closer to an incitement of violence, but he doesn't have the…
> I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Possibly due to very limited imagination?
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#248> People are leaving the site because of it, and advertisers are pulling ads ” This seems to be, arguably, where the real problems start. I doubt many people expect Twitter to host actually illegal content. However, as long as a social media site is beholden to advertisers, it's going to have an existential requirement to pull certain content, irrespective of how they or anyone else feels about those restrictions. Un…
It seems that, similar to newspapers, purchasing ads is also in some manner purchasing control of the platform.
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Remembering the context of people being killed for being trans as a relatively common event. It hasn't reached the millions by any means but we'd like it stopped sooner than that.
Not only that, the murder rate for women is higher than the rate for transwomen. And higher for men then transmen.
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#250Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…
It is. Mid 2000s 4chan and more recently 8kun found it immediately.
When you remove limiters people slap the rail immediately. What value does it add? No one is learning anything when posting anonymously without moderation, they're just lulling themselves into an easily manipulated state.