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Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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post #71

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It really depends on if you have a dishwasher that relies on evap for drying, or an explicit heating element. The latter is becoming more rare as time goes on.

How would dishes dry then? Is there at least a fan providing air flow?

Dishwashers do have a dry cycle, but I just open the dishwasher and let them air dry overnight.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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post #158

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>There's a lot of woo-woo stuff out there that I think can be safely ignored, but I did find what I consider strong evidence that families that hand wash their dishes have significantly lower incidence of some allergic symptoms. Yes, I believe there are studies that have found households that use detergents to wash their dishes have significantly high rates of allergies than households that only hand wash dishes. Aft…

So, pragmatically, we can’t not use our dishwasher - time is just not available given some other constraints. Given that, do you have any suggestions from your reading about less harmful detergent replacements?

Another comment suggested an extra rinse cycle.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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A reason behind mysterious endless baby crying is often soap residues left on milk bottles. Always rinse a bottle again before using it.

Man, that’s wild.

I always sanitized my baby’s bottles, either via boiling water or via sanitizing steam bag.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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I’m curious, did you ever try using less detergent? Like cutting one of those pouches in half? It’d be messy but maybe it’d work.

Or run half in the pre-wash cycle and the other in regular cycle. Can also help to run/prime your hot water tap before starting cycle to start off with hot water (in places where it’s hooked up to hot).

The difference with "primed" hot water is pretty crazy for something that seems trivial. I've also found opening the door and jiggling the racks during the drying cycle also makes a pretty big difference (assuming you catch it at the right time--and use heated dry)

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

#185
post #83

It’s time to place all chemicals in the “unsafe until proven safe” category.

I don't mean to be trite, but that won't work since everything is chemicals.

Good old di-hydrogen monoxide. A horribly toxic chemical.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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My son has eczema and food allergies and I did a lot of research on actions we could take to help prevent the so called "atopic march" to hay fever and asthma. There's a lot of woo-woo stuff out there that I think can be safely ignored, but I did find what I consider strong evidence that families that hand wash their dishes have significantly lower incidence of some allergic symptoms. I thought it sounded weird and I…

can you explain more on the gas stoves and oven part?

Gas stoves exhaust right into the house. Besides raising the CO2 level, they produce CO, carbon monoxide, and smoke from whatever impurities come with the gas, that vary according to where it comes from. I doubt anybody bothers to get the radon out. That would cost money.

Propane is probably purer than straight-up NG, but it's exhaust is still exhaust.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

#188
post #145

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You don't need any rinse aid, period.

Did you not read what I wrote? Not sure what point you are making... I don't need to brush my hair, wear clothes, or wash my car either... But those are usually considered "proper" things to do. My first load without rinse aid resulted in spotty dishes. Not too bad, but annoying. By the third, it was worse. By the end of the week, all of the glassware was milky white and you could no longer see through it. You know t…

> citric acid

Citric acid [1]

1 - https://www.thespruce.com/homemade-dishwasher-rinse-aid-1388...

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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post #144

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A. Watch his follow up video. Where he talks about all he got wrong. B. I recently switched to a more “natural” SevenGenerations pouch and holy crap it’s been excellent. C. You can not buy anything but pods at two of my grocery stores. You need to go to Walmart near me to find any straight powder. Market has spoken right or wrong.

What he got wrong was... You might want to use less detergent to avoid residues. The pouches are still pointless. We switched and it almost completely solved our "dishes not getting cleaned properly" problem.

Same.

Switching to powder has done a lot for us in getting dishes cleaner, and we can dial in the amount of powder needed for the particular soil level of a load.

The fact that it's cheaper per load, and the box fits more neatly under the sink are added benefits.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

#190
post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one.

In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” products. And using just water or water+soap with a rag to clean countertops/surfaces rather than weird chemical disinfectants that leave a microbial-toxic film of chemicals on the surfaces like Pledge.

I personally use marijuana-growing carbon scrubbers to clean my home air, see TerraBloom products. It’s made a massive difference for my family.

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