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Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

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I used to feel intensely lonely until my 30s. I made significant efforts to get out there and socialize. Something changed and I'm now considered a very extroverted person by others. A few things clicked inside me. Some books you may want to consider: 1) Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people book. 2) The Game by Neil Strauss(friend gave me a copy .. this is about pick up artists, something I never d…

Please note that Neil Strauss has said that pickup artistry destroyed his ability to relate to women and remain faithful to his wife, and that he seems to regret it. I'm only so familiar with his work, but my understanding is that he didn't know what to do when he met a woman he actually cared for, and that he couldn't "turn off" his objectification of women and his desire for sexual conquest. I'd really encourage pe…

I agree with what you said, and said the same. I never cared to practice it (and have some moral qualms with it). The book was insightful for me nonetheless.

Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but I think this is bad advice. It sounds wise and clever on the Internet, but in reality it's just an extension of the "consumer experience" mentality that leads to the society-wide feeling of malaise OP is experiencing. Because the fact is, doing a bunch of random things doesn't lead to any real insight about the human experience or what one's place in it ought to be. Instead, I suggest that OP (and anyone e…

I disagree because it seems to me OP is to comfortable with his life. When you are to comfortable you can't appreciate life and the things you have. The reason some of you don't enjoy the things he listed or basically anything that puts your self out into the world is because you need to retrain your brain to enjoy things again. The hardest part is starting but once you get going it's easy. You need to create difficu…

Came here to say this, though I don't know if "comfortable" is the right word. I think a fulfilled live involves a balance between freedom and responsibility.

This post and discussions like this always remind me of Kundera's Unbearable Lightness of Being, which I'd highly recommend to anyone, but especially those contemplating such questions. The major insight, though not immediately helpful, is that life is both heavy and light, and we must learn to live with these coexisting dichotomies.

"In the world of eternal return the weight of unbearable responsibility lies heavy on every move we make. That is why Nietzsche called the idea of eternal return the heaviest of burdens. If eternal return is the heaviest of burdens, then our lives can stand out against it in all their splendid lightness.

But is heaviness truly deplorable and lightness splendid?

The heaviest of burdens crushes us, we sink beneath it, it pins us to the ground. But in the love poetry of every age, the woman longs to be weighed down by the man's body. The heaviest of burdens is therefore simultaneously an image of life's most intense fulfillment. The heavier the burden, the more real and truthful they become. Conversely, the absolute absence of a burden causes man to be lighter than air, to soar into the heights, take leave of the earth and his earthly being, and become only half real, his movements as free as they are insignificant.

What then shall we choose? Weight or lightness?

...That is the question. The only certainty is: the lightness/weight opposition is the most mysterious, most ambiguous of all.” --Milan Kundera

Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

#93

It's 6 AM. My wife's away for work, I didn't digest a pizza, I have dishes to do before the plumber comes at 8, a gift package to collect at some UPS point at 7, some residual burnout due to too many things to do in the last week, month, year, years, and a Monster energy drink yesterday which has completely blown up my metabolism. I'm on Discord looking for humans, you know, a little irrational, non-conformant human…

> That spark of chaos that brings curiosity back in and depression out. > It's not what I do, it's the degree of freedom that I felt in doing it. This rings true to me. In the depths of depression, I find that curiosity gets replaced with a self-fulfilling, self-defeating, yet overly self-confident prophecy -- that every new experience will just be a rebranding of something I've already experienced. I'm sorry to hear…

This is the reason why travel does not appeal to me the way it seems to for most people. Its still me travelling. Cynical and self-defeating, I know.

Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

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This is clearly linked to one of the four existential givens "meaning and meaninglessness. Carl Jung said, man needs to find meaning to continue his journey around the world, therefore, without this meaning, he is lost in no man’s land and wandering the labyrinth of existence. I too felt this great cloud hanging over me in my early 30's, I am now nearly 70. I left school with no formal qualifications, worked in the b…

I too feel like I am trapped in a life I didn't choose, and was "programmed" for me. But while I like everything being said here and would love to "take charge of my existence" its not like I can just leave a 1 year old alone because I "want to change my life to do the things I want".

Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

#95
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please note that Neil Strauss has said that pickup artistry destroyed his ability to relate to women and remain faithful to his wife, and that he seems to regret it. I'm only so familiar with his work, but my understanding is that he didn't know what to do when he met a woman he actually cared for, and that he couldn't "turn off" his objectification of women and his desire for sexual conquest. I'd really encourage pe…

I agree with what you said, and said the same. I never cared to practice it (and have some moral qualms with it). The book was insightful for me nonetheless.

I understand. I've taken meaning from problematic books before too, specifically the adjacent community (with similar problems) of "body language experts" (which turns out to be a grift unsupported by evidence). I did try to use this, with cringey results. I don't recommend these books to people anymore, but there is the odd concept I still find interesting.

I figured that many people would be lurking this thread, potentially for years after this, looking for advice, and I just wanted to put up a sign post in front of this rabbit hole.

Once I went through a terrible breakup with a woman who emotionally abused and gaslit me. I was traumatized and vulnerable, and looking for answers. Thank goodness I didn't stumble into the pickup or Manosphere communities; I worry I'd have been easy pickings for the grifters who prey on them.

Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

#96
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I've been in what I think is a similar place before. Every now and then, I still find myself right there on the edge. In those moments, for me, it's not that I want to exist, or not exist, it's just ...grey. And, an average grey at that - let's call it #CCC. Nothing drives me or energizes me. I just ... am. The advice you mention -- finding friends, connecting with the world around you, finding purpose, finding passi…

> I too am not the best at maintaining relationships. My brain has issues with object permanence.

Funny that you mention this, because this concept of "permanence" is something I've just recently been able to attach a word to. I definitely struggle with both object and a sort of emotional permanence, where I have trouble relating to anything that isn't within my current time and space domain. In a way, I feel there is a deep truth here, that indeed nothing exists outside of the present moment. Everything is impermanent. The trouble is integrating this with a normal human existence with interpersonal connections, where we need to maintain some level of social consistency to form any kind of lasting relationship.

Interesting perspective of separating the biological system "you" from a kind of meta-management "you" though. I tend to identify my "self" with the biological body/brain system, and that might be why any kind of meta-programming seems unnatural/untrue in some way. Thank you for the insight.

Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

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I’m surprised there’s no mention of psychedelics as a way to get out of your rut. Magic mushrooms aren’t a cure all, but they can help lift the fog and aid rediscovery in your passions and purpose. Of course, you should always do this with a sitter and with preexisting medical conditions taken into account.

Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

#98

It's 6 AM. My wife's away for work, I didn't digest a pizza, I have dishes to do before the plumber comes at 8, a gift package to collect at some UPS point at 7, some residual burnout due to too many things to do in the last week, month, year, years, and a Monster energy drink yesterday which has completely blown up my metabolism. I'm on Discord looking for humans, you know, a little irrational, non-conformant human…

Hope you got those dishes done, man.

Yep, done, finished at 7.10.

Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

#99

It's 6 AM. My wife's away for work, I didn't digest a pizza, I have dishes to do before the plumber comes at 8, a gift package to collect at some UPS point at 7, some residual burnout due to too many things to do in the last week, month, year, years, and a Monster energy drink yesterday which has completely blown up my metabolism. I'm on Discord looking for humans, you know, a little irrational, non-conformant human…

> That spark of chaos that brings curiosity back in and depression out. > It's not what I do, it's the degree of freedom that I felt in doing it. This rings true to me. In the depths of depression, I find that curiosity gets replaced with a self-fulfilling, self-defeating, yet overly self-confident prophecy -- that every new experience will just be a rebranding of something I've already experienced. I'm sorry to hear…

These mental blocking mechanisms are symptoms of your brain rejecting something in your present or past. You really have to surrender first, lower your defenses, or the cortisol will always make you feel lacking, in danger, void. But you don't need this, it's just harming you, surrender, be vile, don't overjudge. Listen to Wreckage by Entombed. We already failed when we were born, imperfect from the start.

Re: Ask HN: How do you overcome feeling completely lost in life?

#100
I could type out a long essay that could potentially have relevance to a few points at play here, but let me try something else.

While your attempts to create direction/meaning/etc. for yourself have largely, by your account failed, it seems that you're sufficiently responsible to maintain employment doing software development. As you say, it gives you something to do, and for whatever reason, it makes enough sense to your mind as a motivator to keep at it for the long term.

What if you were to get a dev job that's 100% in-office? Yes, it's forced interaction, but unless you're ultimately a sociopath or something, you'll create enough context with people to potentially form some friendships that can extend beyond work hours. Don't be like a sad puppy following everyone around and don't be an aloof hermit hiding in your cubicle or whatever setup there would be -- both of those things would halt any progress. Observe the social environment and look for opportunities to get involved in the ways that you may be interested in without forcing yourself to be the opposite of who you think you are. If you don't know what you're interested in, then observe until you start getting some ideas. You have the ability in you -- being a software dev requires some level of imagination.

Maybe there's a delivery team monthly bar meetup -- go to that. Maybe there's a department-wide softball match every quarter -- go to that. Go and give it a try, and if it doesn't work out, at least you'd have the satisfaction of having tried.

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