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Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by jimbokun »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #12
visitor4rmindia wrote: post #11

When did advertisments become about putting your competitor down? Heck even the Coke v/s Pepsi wars didn't stoop this low. If Apple can't market it's products on their own features and has to rely on this kind of negative adverts I'd say it's really hitting a low-point. The ad kind of pisses me off actually.

You know, I'm starting to agree with you. I've had Vista since it came out and am completely happy with it. I thought the Apple commercials were cute, but off-base. They were funny, and they emphasized Mac good points, so I liked them. But now it just seems mean. Hell, computer commercials are getting like political commercials, and we've all had enough of that lately.

"But now it just seems mean."

This is Microsoft you are talking about.

One thing Microsoft can never, ever earn is the right to sympathy. You may say that business is cut throat, and thus Microsoft's pitiless, air supply choking history is entirely justified. But feeling sorry for Microsoft because someone is mocking them is just absurd. They have richly earned several lifetimes of ridicule.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

#72

Post by tom_rath »

teej wrote: post #70
thomasmallen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just that, regardless of cost-effectiveness, an advertisement that criticizes another company for spending money on advertising is pretty hypocritical.

To be honest, Leopard is a lot better than Vista.

...and leaving Java 1.6 to sit on the shelf for a few years is far from 'bleeding edge'.

Mac is very slick, but Apple isn't particularly kind to third-party developers who build software for their platform.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by jimbokun »

visitor4rmindia wrote: post #11

When did advertisments become about putting your competitor down? Heck even the Coke v/s Pepsi wars didn't stoop this low. If Apple can't market it's products on their own features and has to rely on this kind of negative adverts I'd say it's really hitting a low-point. The ad kind of pisses me off actually.

"If Apple can't market it's products on their own features"

I might be able to accept this technique if I could see any evidence of Microsoft actually advertising their features.

What the heck is "I'm a PC" advertising? Can you point out the features highlighted in those commercials? What about the "Wow." commercials before that? I'm trying to remember the last Microsoft commercial I saw that actually advertised a feature of its products.

The iPhone ads are almost entirely about features, and brilliantly done. As others have pointed out, many of the "I'm a Mac/PC" ads have highlighted differences between Macs and PCs. I don't see how Microsoft has any standing when it comes to complaining about advertising based on actual product features.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by slackbp »

rbanffy wrote: post #20
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #12

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You know, I'm starting to agree with you. I've had Vista since it came out and am completely happy with it. I thought the Apple commercials were cute, but off-base. They were funny, and they emphasized Mac good points, so I liked them. But now it just seems mean. Hell, computer commercials are getting like political commercials, and we've all had enough of that lately.

I am sure not a full-time Mac evangelist (I use Linux myself), but have you tried to use a Mac for a month or so? I was perfectly happy with Windows (XP then) when I decided to check the greener grass on the other side of the fence (Red Hat, first, then Debian, then Ubuntu) and I never thought about going back. Linux is so much more refined under the hood that more than compensates for the lack of software in several…

I installed Ubuntu onto a friend's Vista box using Wubi (http://wubi-installer.org/), and it works perfectly. Apart from altering the boot manager, Wubi doesn't alter your existing setup, and it can be removed like any other Windows app. Please do check it out--but if you decide to try it, defrag your disk first.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by jimbokun »

boredguy8 wrote: post #47
turtle_2 wrote: post #33

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Put a noose around its neck, huh? Jobs returned to Apple and changed its direction about 10 years ago. - Go to: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=AAPL - Click the 10 yr time frame. - Click the check box to add MSFT to the same graph. - Tell me again how bad of a job Steve has been doing, and how it hasn't meant anything to MSFT. Now some more ycombinator specific points. When you get together with a bunch of web st…

It hasn't. Microsoft's growth has remained relatively stable since it's growth from '95 to 2000. Apple has almost zero impact from '98 to 2005, which is where we start to see the stock perform well.

MSFT price is essentially unchanged over the last 10 years.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by wizlb »

teej wrote: post #70
thomasmallen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just that, regardless of cost-effectiveness, an advertisement that criticizes another company for spending money on advertising is pretty hypocritical.

To be honest, Leopard is a lot better than Vista.

To be honest...any version of Windows is better than Leopard. Especially if you value choice and flexibility.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by wizlb »

jimbokun wrote: post #71
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I'm starting to agree with you. I've had Vista since it came out and am completely happy with it. I thought the Apple commercials were cute, but off-base. They were funny, and they emphasized Mac good points, so I liked them. But now it just seems mean. Hell, computer commercials are getting like political commercials, and we've all had enough of that lately.

"But now it just seems mean." This is Microsoft you are talking about. One thing Microsoft can never, ever earn is the right to sympathy. You may say that business is cut throat, and thus Microsoft's pitiless, air supply choking history is entirely justified. But feeling sorry for Microsoft because someone is mocking them is just absurd. They have richly earned several lifetimes of ridicule.

And Apple's full of angels right?

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by jcl »

jkent wrote: post #9

I wonder what proportion of Vista users think it needs fixing? I don't understand the new Microsoft PC adverts either. What does having glasses have to do with anything?

What does having glasses have to do with anything?

That is exactly the point Microsoft is trying to make. The Apple ads personify Windows as a glasses-wearing dork, while the Microsoft ads try to dispel that association.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by wizlb »

unalone wrote: post #58
Jem wrote: post #25

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...and I had to use a Mac at work for 12 months and hated every minute of it. For every person with a convert story to the Mac, there's another person who is quite happy to stick with Windows. I'm not sure why so many people consider the prospect so crazy.

With respect to your story, I'm fairly certain there are more convert stories among people who have used the Mac than there are stories of people disliking them.

Really? You're certain? How certain are you?

Both me and my wife have had the displeasure of using Macs in the past. I even owned one for about 6 months, a mac mini. I replaced it with Vista and Vista's Media Center pretty much owns Front Row (pfft, don't even get me started). The dock sucks compared to the task bar, you can't even see what's running on the dock. Oh and it's slow.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by wizlb »

gnaritas wrote: post #65
briansmith wrote: post #43

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What parts of Vista need to be fixed?

How about that it's much slower than it's predecessor, requires tons more hardware, and generally all around just kinda sucks. I've reverted to XP pro myself at the office, Vista's a piece of crap.

Try plugging a Vista box into your living room TV and getting a Gyration remote.

Then come back and tell me how much it sucks.

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