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Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by anon50118810 »

ska wrote: post #41
ryandrake wrote: post #26

I think it's hard to gauge who's actually hiring by reading HN "Who's Hiring?" posts or looking at job boards. I think a lot of companies maintain longstanding job posts without actually finding/hiring people. Or they keep interviewing but never commit. Like a fisherman with bait always in the water, never reeling anyone in. The posts should really be renamed to "Ask HN: Who's Interviewing?" or "Ask HN: Who's Fishing…

> I think a lot of companies maintain longstanding job posts ... Or, they are growing at a rate that supports a hire every month or three?

If you apply to a post with a qualified resume and don't get a response or get rejected for trivial reasons, and then see the job posted again the following month, that argues against the steady growth theory.

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Post by randomdata »

anon50118810 wrote: post #60
randomdata wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're talking about different ends of the market I am quite specifically talking about price. Maybe you still carry confusion. Maybe you replied to the wrong thread. Maybe you're desperate for that argument you hoped I was engaging in. But whatever it is, we're not talking about that. That is certain.

In terms of price, I've been saying that parts of the developer market work like Veblen goods while I think you've been saying it's all ordinary goods. You started us down this road earlier, maybe unintentionally, by questioning my statement that employers are looking for luxury goods.

> by questioning my statement that employers are looking for luxury goods.

I explicitly acknowledged and agreed with your statement. What you said jives with what I said. Which stands to reason as there is nothing to argue here, as we covered earlier.

Indeed, you originally came at the subject from a different angle and I did point that out to orient ourselves on the same plane to make communication easier, but nothing about the subject changes as it relates to the angle of approach. The destination is the same no matter what direction you come from.

We can certainly work from different angles, but it will be more work. That said, I'm not sure what is left to work on. Your comment merely indicates that you also recognize that we're not coming at this from the same angle, which is something that we already established many comments ago. This suggests to me that the meat of discussion has already reached its natural end.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by naet »

anon50118810 wrote: post #19
randomdata wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for most people you only need to find one job for your job search to be over. This is interesting as it relates to price rather than ability to find a job. Things would have to change dramatically to reach a point where someone won't pay you minimum wage to do tech work, but as difficulty in fulfilling positions declines the need to pay extraordinary and increasing salaries will decline in kind. This does give a go…

I'm someone who is indeed struggling to find a job, and in my case salary has little to do with it since so far I've been filtered before that's been an issue. There's actually no way to compete on price even if I wanted to, since employers are looking for luxury goods and offering to work for very cheap would send the wrong signal. I understand the market is very different if you have a great resume and everything i…

Employers are looking for good programmers, since a bad programmer can do active damage to a codebase. They are willing to pay a higher price to try and avoid those situations so offering work at a lower rate isn't going to be attractive to those companies.

There are places like Upwork and fiverr where people are hiring cheap programmers to work on things like their small wordpress site. They aren't fun to work on and there is a lot of competition from lower cost of living parts of the world, but they do exist.

Once you have a "foot in the door" and some proven industry experience you'll find getting work a lot easier. It took me about six months after I first started applying to secure my first development job in 2019, and now I have tons of recruiters messaging me daily about new opportunities.

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Post by jcims »

jcims wrote: post #13
debacle wrote: post #10

Hiring has slowed to a crawl, and the hardest hit appear to be junior/low level devs not going into the startup space. I'm seeing a lot of hiring for senior positions. I'm getting more, not fewer emails for interviews as a CTO. Meanwhile, it seems like unless a new grad is headed to a FAANG they are not finding jobs the way they were a year ago. This is how things started in 2007, anecdotally. The ladder got pulled u…

This must vary by industry. I just left one big bank to go work for another one. Both are hiring like mad, both junior and senior roles. Both actually have pretty amazing internship programs and at least one has an incredible program for veterans.

Just to add on to this, pretty huge demand for SWE/SRE roles in platform development (internal and public cloud) and security (compliance, automation, etc)

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Post by deeptote »

mkl95 wrote: post #58

I have been getting a low volume of offers in the last few months. But the compensation I'm being offered is very high. Hiring freezes may be masking a specialist > generalist trend.

Yeah, same. If you're a specialist and happen to have an in-demand skillset (backend, dist sys, GoLang), the volume of offers has been lower but still getting plenty of interest.

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Post by Kranar »

datalopers wrote: post #43
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period. The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company,…

FAANG care about education credentials, startups care about pragmatism and getting things done.

Maybe some of them do, but Google, Microsoft, Facebook and Amazon didn't care about my education, which is good because I don't have a degree.

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Post by chris11 »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #23
debacle wrote: post #10

Hiring has slowed to a crawl, and the hardest hit appear to be junior/low level devs not going into the startup space. I'm seeing a lot of hiring for senior positions. I'm getting more, not fewer emails for interviews as a CTO. Meanwhile, it seems like unless a new grad is headed to a FAANG they are not finding jobs the way they were a year ago. This is how things started in 2007, anecdotally. The ladder got pulled u…

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period. The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company,…

The scale of hiring at FAANG companies is on another level. Google's summer intern class is probably much larger than the number of FTEs at my current job. They need to contact tens or hundreds of thousands of prospective candidates. I'm not shocked some people have an easier time getting interviews from FAANG companies.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

anon50118810 wrote: post #47
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that, but even here I am not given any handholding, we discuss what needs to be done, if needed I write technical document, get feedback, and then implement.

It's possible that your work environment is set up to provide the necessary guidance even though it doesn't feel like handholding to you. At smaller companies you might just get a vague description of a task and be left on your own for weeks to figure it out.

That's very likely, ask and ye shall receive is very common here, and the company gives the resources to anyone and everyone to learn.

From my POV, this is like university, but easier, and I get paid.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by myth_drannon »

ryandrake wrote: post #26

I think it's hard to gauge who's actually hiring by reading HN "Who's Hiring?" posts or looking at job boards. I think a lot of companies maintain longstanding job posts without actually finding/hiring people. Or they keep interviewing but never commit. Like a fisherman with bait always in the water, never reeling anyone in. The posts should really be renamed to "Ask HN: Who's Interviewing?" or "Ask HN: Who's Fishing…

I interviewed at some of the startups that constantly post on Who's Hiring. Long process and no hire. I check on Linkedin their growth from time to time and it's basically flat.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by anon50118810 »

naet wrote: post #63
anon50118810 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm someone who is indeed struggling to find a job, and in my case salary has little to do with it since so far I've been filtered before that's been an issue. There's actually no way to compete on price even if I wanted to, since employers are looking for luxury goods and offering to work for very cheap would send the wrong signal. I understand the market is very different if you have a great resume and everything i…

Employers are looking for good programmers, since a bad programmer can do active damage to a codebase. They are willing to pay a higher price to try and avoid those situations so offering work at a lower rate isn't going to be attractive to those companies. There are places like Upwork and fiverr where people are hiring cheap programmers to work on things like their small wordpress site. They aren't fun to work on an…

From the employer side it's like being a consumer shopping for reliable goods, such as clothing or appliances. You don't want something suspiciously cheap but you also know the marginal gains at the high end are probably minimal or maybe even negative. What you really want is to find a brand you trust at a deep discount from a reputable seller.

Brands go on sale to move excess inventory or to try to convert skeptical shoppers into becoming loyal to the brand later on at full price. However for better or worse there's no way for a job seeker to put themselves temporarily on sale. You can't work at a discount without devaluing yourself. This is important to understand because it means that it's not entirely about job seekers simply accepting lower pay.

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