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Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by ska »

ryandrake wrote: post #26

I think it's hard to gauge who's actually hiring by reading HN "Who's Hiring?" posts or looking at job boards. I think a lot of companies maintain longstanding job posts without actually finding/hiring people. Or they keep interviewing but never commit. Like a fisherman with bait always in the water, never reeling anyone in. The posts should really be renamed to "Ask HN: Who's Interviewing?" or "Ask HN: Who's Fishing…

> I think a lot of companies maintain longstanding job posts ...

Or, they are growing at a rate that supports a hire every month or three?

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by ska »

soneca wrote: post #14
arcturus17 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, 2018-2020 sees a downward trend in hiring, while the S&P500 was still growing steadily. Thing is though, HN Hiring posts seem very FAANG and (even more) startup-biased? The S&P500 is more than that.

I would say that FAANG is not part of HN Who is hiring at all. It seems to be almost 100% small and medium tech startups.

This makes sense though, no? If you want to (consider) work at FAANG, it's not hard to know how to apply, and whether or not the front door is the best approach.

On the other hand, lot's of companies that show up in places like HN you might not even know exist.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by datalopers »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #23
debacle wrote: post #10

Hiring has slowed to a crawl, and the hardest hit appear to be junior/low level devs not going into the startup space. I'm seeing a lot of hiring for senior positions. I'm getting more, not fewer emails for interviews as a CTO. Meanwhile, it seems like unless a new grad is headed to a FAANG they are not finding jobs the way they were a year ago. This is how things started in 2007, anecdotally. The ladder got pulled u…

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period. The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company,…

FAANG care about education credentials, startups care about pragmatism and getting things done.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by hawk_ »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #40
hawk_ wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you look for jobs in the EU - as in which message boards/websites etc...?

LinkedIn and company websites mostly.

I see. And how did you find the company websites? The reason I ask is could the type of companies in your filter be the ones just not doing quality work? And interestingly my acquaintance is having the opposite problem where they are willing to train but are having to work very hard to find good CS grads in the EU.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by anon50118810 »

randomdata wrote: post #37
anon50118810 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you're arguing exactly but the tech market of literally walking down the street and offering to help random businesses for $7.25 an hour is so far from HN hiring, or really any salaried tech hiring, that I'm not sure why you bring it up. Most tech employers who make job posts might be happy if you suggest a salary near the bottom of the range they've already decided for the position, but will absolu…

> I'm not sure what you're arguing exactly I'm not arguing anything. There is nothing here to argue. Nor would I enter into an argument. I can think of nothing more boring. > literally walking down the street and offering to help random businesses for $7.25 an hour is so far from HN hiring, or really any salaried tech hiring Because the topic is price. Price exists specifically to guide allocation of scarce resources…

We're talking about different ends of the market. You're talking about the high end where sought-after workers get multiple competitive offers and big raises from switching jobs frequently. In that case a hiring downturn means less offers, less switching and less raises. I'm talking about the low end where every employer has set a floor of let's say $120k for their developer positions, and if for some reason every employer decides that a job seeker is worth less than that, that job seeker won't be able to get a job as a developer. In that case the hard pill to swallow isn't accepting less money, it's leaving the field. It's possible for the floor to decrease over time to match the perceived value of that job seeker, but worker compensation is sticky so this would require a long downturn, during which time the job seeker will become even less valuable due to having been forced out of the field.

This all leads into the question of how rational and efficient the hiring market for developers is. I would say this is at least an open question, to put it mildly.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by anon50118810 »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #39
myth_drannon wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FAANG have the resources to train juniors, startups like juniors a lot but usually don't have the resources to absorb employees who need hand holding.

I understand that, but even here I am not given any handholding, we discuss what needs to be done, if needed I write technical document, get feedback, and then implement.

It's possible that your work environment is set up to provide the necessary guidance even though it doesn't feel like handholding to you. At smaller companies you might just get a vague description of a task and be left on your own for weeks to figure it out.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by randomdata »

anon50118810 wrote: post #46
randomdata wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure what you're arguing exactly I'm not arguing anything. There is nothing here to argue. Nor would I enter into an argument. I can think of nothing more boring. > literally walking down the street and offering to help random businesses for $7.25 an hour is so far from HN hiring, or really any salaried tech hiring Because the topic is price. Price exists specifically to guide allocation of scarce resources…

We're talking about different ends of the market. You're talking about the high end where sought-after workers get multiple competitive offers and big raises from switching jobs frequently. In that case a hiring downturn means less offers, less switching and less raises. I'm talking about the low end where every employer has set a floor of let's say $120k for their developer positions, and if for some reason every em…

> We're talking about different ends of the market

I am quite specifically talking about price. Maybe you still carry confusion. Maybe you replied to the wrong thread. Maybe you're desperate for that argument you hoped I was engaging in. But whatever it is, we're not talking about that. That is certain.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

datalopers wrote: post #43
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period. The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company,…

FAANG care about education credentials, startups care about pragmatism and getting things done.

How do you evaluate that the person can't get things done without even interviewing them? I had 3 internships, and built all sorts of systems.

Only a single startup gave me the chance to prove that I can get things done.

FAANG on the other hand seems to care about getting things done, or as we say, having a bias for action.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

hawk_ wrote: post #44
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LinkedIn and company websites mostly.

I see. And how did you find the company websites? The reason I ask is could the type of companies in your filter be the ones just not doing quality work? And interestingly my acquaintance is having the opposite problem where they are willing to train but are having to work very hard to find good CS grads in the EU.

I was looking mostly for companies in Scandinavia, NL and Germany through LinkedIn, or just big names. Some companies had easy apply, others sent you to their website.

I have been told by people in r/cscareerquestionsEU that I may be too expensive due to master's but the "absence" of experience to make me unemployable.

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