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Post by KVFinn »

jtc331 wrote: post #130
pjc50 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the vax has rendered herd immunity impossible. This doesn't make any sense; the vaccine confers immunity.

There is a potential paradox here because of original antigenic sin (from the paper name): basically the vaccines only present one antigen whereas in natural infection there are multiple antigens. Once the immune system learns one it generally doesn’t learn more on the next exposure (actual infection). Combine that with the antigen presented by the vaccine (spike protein) being the more frequently mutating antigen an…

>basically the vaccines only present one antigen whereas in natural infection there are multiple antigens. Once the immune system learns one it generally doesn’t learn more on the next exposure (actual infection)

Surprising, it looks like this isn't really a problem. The immune system manages to adapt to handle a greater variety of strains, if you give it long time between boosters/exposures, so memory B cells can mature.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03119-3

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Post by vkou »

tartoran wrote: post #189
yreg wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait until you read to "We believe that the Party and the government will be able to lead the people of China to work together to overcome the epidemic! China will win! [fist][fist][fist]".

Yeah, this propaganda is obvious from far away. I don’t know if Chinese people buy it anymore.

Seems about as dumb as the propaganda we buy, if it were put through a Google Translate.

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Post by bluenotebo0k »

hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

Chinese vaccines are not that effective and China refuses to use other countries' vaccines.

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Post by dopa42365 »

spoiler wrote: post #149
WiSaGaN wrote: post #147

This is such a ridiculous claim and also extremely easy to debunk if you have any friends in China they will show you immediately this is false. Yet not a single one comment mentions it. Goes to show the level of discourse happen in the west about anything china related.

There are multiple examples from different Tweet authors confirming that crowds aren't being shown. Can you post anything (other than unfunded claims) to refute these? Edit: my comment can come of as aggressive, but I'm genuinely curious, didn't mean to attack you

https://weibo.com/6320391439

reuploaded a random example clip: https://files.catbox.moe/vx9q03.mp4

There's like a thousand cameras in the stadium, and I have no idea if they show things like replays of individual fans cinematic reactions for dramatic purposes (they do that in my country), but that might be a cultural difference more than anything else.

Definitely doesn't look like they're avoiding crowds per se, or blurring.

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Post by rngname22 »

leoedin wrote: post #136
ejstronge wrote: post #92

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> It's even worse than that; hazard ratio increases significantly with each re-infection https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3 I don’t think this paper is a great source for that idea - the ratio of people with one infection (440,000) to people with three or more infections (1,000) is so different that I wonder if demographics or behavioral characteristics differ between the groups. Empirically, their co…

I think most people I know have had it at least twice now - if symptoms were escalating with each infection it would be pretty big news.

Unless that damage that is accumulating doesn't lead to immediate visible effect but delayed worse outcomes, eg. early death via heart failure or stroke, long-term slightly reduced IQ, mildly worse blood circulation leading to subtle sexual dysfunction etc.

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Post by lost_tourist »

hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

It might just be good practice for them, as they expect something much worse than covid will eventually get out of the lab somewhere (not just China) or a virus in nature will mutate naturally into something worse than covid.

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Post by vkou »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #238
DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

> saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation Is there any evidence this is about masks versus gatherings? > the Geneva convention has a clause against going to war with a nation stricken by a pandemic The U.S. would go to war with China if it invaded Taiwan, conventions or not. (I also believe the relevant text is with respect to medical personnel, not a general prohibition on armed…

If the US is ruled by a government that will start a war with a nuclear power for any reason other than an attack against it, we need to do everything possible to replace that government. Because doing that is insane, and we cannot let madmen in charge of a nuclear football.

Taiwan isn't worth ending the world over.

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Post by thereddaikon »

mumblemumble wrote: post #219
bee_rider wrote: post #186

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> It's to mitigate war with the United States. Apparently the Geneva convention has a clause against going to war with a nation stricken by a pandemic. It is a sort of funny conclusion to end up at — the US wants to have a war with China, but is stopped by the Geneva convention. I thought they didn’t have as effective vaccines as we’ve got in the west (on top of the general, uh, hands-off approach western counties te…

I would guess the real reason the US won't ever willingly go to war with China, not even under the most fantastic of hypothetical scenarios, has a lot more to do with a combination of the anticipated importance of tech in a modern war between major powers, and the USA's near-complete lack of domestic electronics manufacturing infrastructure.

The US does have domestic electronics manufacturing. There are many fabs in the US actually. Mostly Intel and GloFo. The semiconductor market is a complicated one and not easily explained in an internet comment.

But suffice it to say, things are far more complicated than that.

And the real reason the US wants to avoid war with China, and vice versa. Is because we are talking about two nuclear states with competent second strike capability. This is the same reason why the cold war never went hot. Nobody wants to see the outcome. Millions dead, civilization set back a century or so etc.

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Post by lost_tourist »

yreg wrote: post #23
hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

Now might be the time though since the major strains of covid seem much milder than the original one.

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Post by solumunus »

zarzavat wrote: post #105
yreg wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

I don’t buy that. No other country was able to completely arrest the spread of COVID through lockdowns, even Australia and New Zealand which are islands surrounded by giant oceans were not able to stop the flood of infections. China borders 14 countries. If there’s “no COVID” it’s because it’s being suppressed, with or without Beijing’s knowledge.

Obviously there isn't "no COVID". Nobody is suggesting that. If there was "no COVID" they wouldn't need the lockdowns. They're trying to minimize covid by being extremely reactive to it because they don't have effective vaccines yet. The situation still makes OP's comment correct. If they stop being highly reactive and open up before they have better vaccines then the results will be extremely bad.
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