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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by WiSaGaN »

danskeren wrote: post #226
WiSaGaN wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Avoid “China Insights” or anyone self claimed as China watchers if you don’t want to become victims of propaganda.

Everybody, including you, have an agenda. China Insights is great because they always provide video evidence and high quality references (such as official government documents). The fact that China Insights in the video claimed that the media blurred the audience outside the live broadcast (which again was backed up by video evidence) is a testament to the high quality and factual accuracy of their reporting.

Do you think the screenshots I posted above are from live broadcast days ago or VOD I just played?

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Post by yonaguska »

mschuster91 wrote: post #49
i67vw3 wrote: post #22

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Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful. If they had done complete lockdown during 1st wave or during Delta wave it was one thing (which they already did at that time and majority of world). But after 2 years it is something else. There literally is a world cup happening half around the world, with maskless people and stadiums filled to the brim. I have read online they are doing this…

> Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful. Among the unvaccinated (of which there still exist a shocking amount), it absolutely is harmful. Even amongst the triple or quadruple vaccinated, it can be dangerous. My s/o's sense of smell was impacted for months, we were out of work for two weeks - but a friend of ours for six months and she's still not at the performance mentally that she…

Was your friend vaccinated? From my own anecdotal experience, all of my triple vaccinated friends and coworkers are catching covid several times a year, while myself and my family that are unvaccinated, haven't been seriously sick from covid except once. I caught it once, very bad early on, and then was out for a week about a year and a half later, but have had countless covid exposures with no issues.

One of my friends, a nurse that we frequently hang out with will always let us know when she's gotten sick and recently been in proximity. She's been sick with covid more than a handful of times this year and she's now sworn off any more shots. Especially since she gets sicker every time she catches covid. I don't know anyone that's planning on taking more shots at this point.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by burnte »

laputan_machine wrote: post #32
hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

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"Minority Oversight Staff"

AKA the senate republicans. Sorry, they're not a credible source on anything scientific. This makes me think it was a natural accident even more, frankly.

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Post by boringg »

apostacy wrote: post #220
tlogan wrote: post #205

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This might be a Ceausescu moment for Xi. I just do not understand why he did not “declare that China won against COVID and how CCP is great”. (If there is a problem with vaccination rates, the CCP has tools to make that happen. Yes Sinovax vaccine is not very effective but with 3 doses it will cut death rates by 90% or so.) So the question here is really why Xi decided to keep zero-COVID. Maybe he is not so smart? Or…

It is obvious at this point that China's "zero covid" policy has nothing at all to do with public health. What many of us do not want to admit, is that our leaders have taken advantage of the crisis for their own benefit. I think most western media is reluctant to report on what is happening in China, because it would start uncomfortable conversations at home. Seeing the Chinese government so nakedly use what's left…

Sorry - you so far off base here.

There has been ample reporting about China in the western media and none of your conspiracy related thought process is translating to anything that's happening in the West. If anything its promoting the narrative that the Western response to the pandemic was highly successful.

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Post by 323 »

laputan_machine wrote: post #32
hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

Quoted post unavailable.

Simpler hypothesis: if's it's a lab-leak, all the dead can be blamed on the Party itself because it failed securing the labs and it ended up killing it's own citizens. Thus you have an incentive to do everything possible to minimize the number of dead, thus lockdowns.

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Post by ElevenLathe »

mrtksn wrote: post #132
saint_fiasco wrote: post #116

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They have enough vaccines, they just can't persuade their vulnerable population to take it. Old people in particular don't trust modern medicine and don't trust the government. You know how some old people believe all sorts of conspiracy theories about the government? Because their government was actually evil during their lifetime, it becomes much harder for them to believe that this one time the government really d…

Would't an actual evil government simply let the old population die and solve the demographics crisis? It's not like they depend on old peoples votes to stay in power. I have relatives in Bulgaria, a country with full access to all western vaccines thanks to EU but is among the least vaccinated countries in the world and among the top deaths of COVID-19 per capita. I was shocked when I visited Bulgaria once travel be…

> Would't an actual evil government simply let the old population die and solve the demographics crisis? It's not like they depend on old peoples votes to stay in power.

The CCP may not be the Kiwanis Club but they're not the Legion of Doom either. It's not a democracy but they still need some degree of popular support, and letting everyone's grandparents die is not a great way to engender it.

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Post by scarab92 »

Tchakra wrote: post #8

Or it could be that Chinese audiences & tastes aren't so big on watching cheering crowds. I am rather sceptical of this being evidence of censorship. Maybe, I could be swayed if it can be shown this is a clear break from tradition of showing crowds that started since the recent protests in china.

I was curious about this as well. Reality TV for example is edited very differently between the US and elsewhere to suit local tastes. Do we know whether or not crowd shots were usually shown in China pre-covid?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

> saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation

Is there any evidence this is about masks versus gatherings?

> the Geneva convention has a clause against going to war with a nation stricken by a pandemic

The U.S. would go to war with China if it invaded Taiwan, conventions or not. (I also believe the relevant text is with respect to medical personnel, not a general prohibition on armed conflict.)

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Post by ctvo »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #178
ctvo wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying this is false and crowd shots are still shown? Are you in China right now?

You don't need to be in China to dubunk those. You just need to do some independant research easily, say by visiting the CCTV video site. Knowing some Chinese helps, but it won't stop anyone who is determined to find the truth.

Why is it difficult to get your stance on this? Even in your original post, it was unnecessarily circular.

Are you saying the crowd shots are still being shown in China? Yes or no? How do you know?

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Post by kube-system »

c-fe wrote: post #160
andsoitis wrote: post #127

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> know more about the consequences of this virus Than all the other medical and scientific communities in the rest of the world?

the developers of a software know more about its behaviour than all users/hackers in the world

Not if everybody abandons the original fork and uses a different one.
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