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U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by kube-system »

k_paleologos wrote: post #54

Is this an executive measure? Does the executive have authority to do such a thing, based on vague and nebulous claims of threat to national security? Were these companies providing sevices/supplying goods in the US market subject to necessary US regulatory approvals? On which grounds can such approvals be rescinded without evidence that will stand in courts? Moreover this is infact a restriction on US citizens/ firm…

The FCC has extremely broad authority to regulate communications devices, assigned to them by congress.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by kube-system »

usui wrote: post #39

Every article I’ve ever read that cites “national security concerns” never, ever explicitly goes into the exact, computational mechanism in which it is a security concern. It’s always something like “Chinese company under Chinese government, therefore bad”. Never anything concrete or substantive from a software engineer POV, such as what exactly is phoned-home, or what actual subversions are happening currently, only…

Because it (mostly) isn't an engineering vulnerability -- it is a governance issue.

It doesn't really matter how good your lock is, if you give the key to someone who is in a position to abuse that trust.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by parineum »

namkt wrote: post #96
medellin wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even companies as large as Uber got strong armed in china. From having traffic shut off completely inside the country without warning (no net neutrality laws) to having to setup an entirely new business in china that didn’t touch the US one. I have little sympathy and i hope that the Us continues to push restrictions on china tech.

Uber probably isn't the best example given that the company prided itself in being 'fucking illegal', but your point generally stands. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/10/uber-investigation-...

What does that have to do with the example?

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by galdosdi »

thinkmcfly wrote: post #122

I have an online Chinese security camera system outside my house. I'd be happy to replace it if usgov wants to subsidize that. The SSH Honeypot on the network with it remains untouched for now.

No one is asking you to replace it. Keep it as long as you like.

If you read the article you will see this applies to 3 specific companies, and prohibits them from selling new things in the future.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by galdosdi »

k_paleologos wrote: post #69
galdosdi wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly. For those in a hurry, here's an excerpt from the executive summary. ``` Despite hours of interviews, extensive and repeated document requests, a review of open-source information, and an open hearing with witnesses from both companies, the Committee remains unsatisfied with the level of cooperation and candor provided by each company. Neither company was willing to provide sufficient evidence to amelior…

"During the investigation, the Committee received information from industry experts and current and former Huawei employees suggesting that Huawei, in particular, may be violating United States laws. " This is a claim which can only be proven in a court of law.

Why would a court of law have to be involved? This is a Congressional investigation. Nobody is being charged with a crime.

As usual for you, you make a wild and vague claim because you have no understanding of US law and customs. In fact I doubt you have ever been to the US.

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Post by qwytw »

protoc wrote: post #107
keewee7 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot gets buried in the privacy discussions but the unfair trade practices are also a problem. For example Western app makers don't have access to Chinese consumers the same way Chinese app makers have access to Western consumers.

App needs to meet the standards of local laws, its not like China is just targeting American apps. The US has laws bases on color tone lol

Your point being? Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Iran and Saudi Arabia had/have laws too...

> The US has laws bases on color tone lol

Any actual examples? lol

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by saiya-jin »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #59
rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

I wonder how many countries treat American telecom equipment the same way due to NSA involvement.

Not just telecom but phones, closed operating systems across any devices and basically any software.

I have no illusion how good and obfluscated user tracking is baked in products of google apple, microsoft et al. From time to time some case highlights their desperate needs to use and hide tracking stuff, ie ms office printing almost invisible fingerprints in documents, and that was way more analog era.

You can say though that most countries are US friends so there is nothing to worry. But even among friends, ie industrial espionage happens all the time, and just financial harm can easily go into tens of % of given GDP

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by Animatronio »

loandbehold wrote: post #71
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is the #1 smartphone brand in China. American companies are much more active in the Chinese market than vice-versa. If China starts reacting in kind, a lot of American companies will be in for a world of hurt.

Manufactured in China, with forced technology transfer.

Who forced Apple to enter China? Didn't they know the situation beforehand?

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by paganel »

putlake wrote: post #127

Here's the inside story of how the ban was years in the making and all the effort it took. From someone in the government at the time the process started: https://twitter.com/JoshuaSteinman/status/159637064508835020...

> in celebration of a great professional victory,

At first I was intrigued about why did that guy call all this industrial protectionism act as something "professional", afterwards I saw that he is an active part of the industrial defence complex (he's a National Security Council staffer), so that started to make a little bit more sense.

I'm wondering though for how long will the MIC ghouls continue to have the upper hand in this. There are huge opportunity costs to be paid by the side that goes all "Corn Law League" on something as fundamental to our age as grains were ~200 years ago, but, then again, when said pro-protectionism side also controls the media, which means no Cobden [1] to take it all down, the US could be in for the long-haul.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cobden

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by throwaway4good »

putlake wrote: post #127

Here's the inside story of how the ban was years in the making and all the effort it took. From someone in the government at the time the process started: https://twitter.com/JoshuaSteinman/status/159637064508835020...

This is just appalling protectionism; is it really something that we tech people should cheer on?
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