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there is no connection between rich powerful companies in the us and government /s
I also get modded down when I remind these guys Desert Storm was televised on CNN. Oh well, it's a us site
U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns
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#122I have an online Chinese security camera system outside my house. I'd be happy to replace it if usgov wants to subsidize that.
The SSH Honeypot on the network with it remains untouched for now.
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That's correct, they certainly have the right to not answer questions...and the US government has the right to interpret that lack of cooperation any way it chooses, and, say, ban their products.
What government can do is limited by the constitution. Generally speaking, unless these companies have done something unlawful there is no ground for banning their products. Is it established that they have broken US laws?
> Article I, Section 8
> The Congress shall have Power [...]
> To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations
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#124I love these cams, but also put them on a totally isolated network. Guess I'll pick another one up just in case they get tough to find soon.
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#125Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...
Doesn’t everybody have the right to not answer questions? Americans don’t have to do this either
Surprisingly, no.
You have the right to not testify/incriminate against yourself. Beyond that, you can absolutely be compelled to answer questions.
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#126"National security" has been increasingly been used over the last 5 years as a justification for measures that are actually much more broadly geopolitical in nature. A private individual using a Huawei phone or router isn't a national security threat to the US. However, in a broader sense, the US government sees the technological development of China as a threat to American strategic dominance, and has been taking ev…
> "National security" has been increasingly been used over the last 5 years as a justification for measures that are actually much more broadly geopolitical in nature.
That's what national security IS, dude.
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#127Here's the inside story of how the ban was years in the making and all the effort it took. From someone in the government at the time the process started: https://twitter.com/JoshuaSteinman/status/159637064508835020...
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Americans should consider if they really want to turn their relationship with the world's largest economy into one that is purely hostile. The relationship is far from "purely hostile". We're giant trading partners. The relationship is mutually beneficial. As was said here, our restrictions on Chinese companies are nothing compared to their restrictions on ours. And they've built their economy using so much stolen…
> As was said here, our restrictions on Chinese companies are nothing compared to their restrictions on ours. This is something that is widely believed in the US, but which is not actually true. American companies have very large market shares in many sectors of the Chinese economy. Chinese companies are not active in the US market on any comparable level. China used to have many more restrictions on market entry, bu…
What happens if I search for "Tiannanmen Square" on google.com while I'm inside the PRC territory, then?
Oh, nothing comes up?
Why?
Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns
#129"National security" has been increasingly been used over the last 5 years as a justification for measures that are actually much more broadly geopolitical in nature. A private individual using a Huawei phone or router isn't a national security threat to the US. However, in a broader sense, the US government sees the technological development of China as a threat to American strategic dominance, and has been taking ev…
The US will just keep increasing bans and sanctions as the Chinese stategy seem to be not to respond in kind, but instead build capacity to become independent of US-controlled technology, something that might take a decade.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Americans should consider if they really want to turn their relationship with the world's largest economy into one that is purely hostile. The relationship is far from "purely hostile". We're giant trading partners. The relationship is mutually beneficial. As was said here, our restrictions on Chinese companies are nothing compared to their restrictions on ours. And they've built their economy using so much stolen…
> As was said here, our restrictions on Chinese companies are nothing compared to their restrictions on ours. This is something that is widely believed in the US, but which is not actually true. American companies have very large market shares in many sectors of the Chinese economy. Chinese companies are not active in the US market on any comparable level. China used to have many more restrictions on market entry, bu…
I agree, the sanctions aren't helping the Chinese tech economy. And I also agree that economic warfare has escalated recently. Battle lines have been being drawn for the last decade or so, and now pieces are moving around on the chess board (not just US and China, Russia Ukraine etc)
As to how much beyond "not being friends" this is, I'm not sure that protecting the Chinese tech sector is anyone's responsibility but China's. As you said, this is geopolitics. It's not like China is looking out for US or EU or anyone else's interests. Widescale IP theft certainly isn't helping the US tech economy. If US and China were allies I'm sure more would be done to find a mutually agreeable solution, but it's pretty clear at this point that US and Chinese geopolitical interests are not aligned.
Having it's IP stolen is the US's problem to solve. They're solving it in part by refusing (at a state level) to do business with parts of the Chinese tech sector. Considering how long its taken the US to respond, it's clear to me time was being taken to solve this diplomatically, and that patience has run out. It's not like the CCP hasn't had time to change their bad behavior and reach a compromise solution.
Having something stolen is a problem for the victim. But the victims response may be a problem for the thief. This is simply a long overdue consequence for systemic bad behavior.
This situation is regrettable for both parties. But resorting to "US bad" and "China victim" here is a gross simplification of the situation.