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Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by k_paleologos » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 4:56 PM UTC

rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Is government involvement problematic? Many firms have government involvement, often in an under the table manner. For example Airbus. Government involvement is in itself no grounds for banning a company.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 4:56 PM UTC

huntertwo wrote: post #51

rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Doesn’t everybody have the right to not answer questions? Americans don’t have to do this either

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Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by skorpeon87 » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 4:57 PM UTC

anon291 wrote: post #48

kadoban wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a common stance in right-leaning circles, unfortunately.

Letting Europeans deal with Europe was the stance for all of American history until WWII.

A lot of Americans are American because their European ancestors got sick of European affairs and wanted a clean break from it.

Nonetheless, a lot of the anti-interventionist rhetoric seen on the net today feels very astroturfed. Anybody accusing NATO of warmongering is safe to write off as a Russian-aligned troll, considering Russia is the one who actually invaded a foreign country. NATO's "war mongering" amounts to offering sanctuary to the countries with a rational fear of being invaded by Russia.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by marcosdumay » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 4:58 PM UTC

huntertwo wrote: post #51

rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Doesn’t everybody have the right to not answer questions? Americans don’t have to do this either

When it's some country's Congress questioning, there are usually penalties to not answering. But, of course, one can always just face the penalties.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by galdosdi » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 4:58 PM UTC

huntertwo wrote: post #51

rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Doesn’t everybody have the right to not answer questions? Americans don’t have to do this either

Americans do have to answer questions posed by Congress or a court in many, many situations. It is commonplace for large public companies for example, to have to answer questions from regulators or Congress.

For example, any time there's a merger, the federal government must approve it to ensure anti-monopoly laws are not violated by the new market arrangement.

Or you may recall the famous cases of auto executives being questioned over car safety, or Zuckerberg being questioned over social media's effects on society.

Are you new to following US business news?

Are you just very confused and think the famous "fifth amendment" applies here? Go back and read it if so.

> Americans don’t have to do this either

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by k_paleologos » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 4:58 PM UTC

ghufran_syed wrote: post #60

huntertwo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t everybody have the right to not answer questions? Americans don’t have to do this either

That's correct, they certainly have the right to not answer questions...and the US government has the right to interpret that lack of cooperation any way it chooses, and, say, ban their products.

What government can do is limited by the constitution. Generally speaking, unless these companies have done something unlawful there is no ground for banning their products. Is it established that they have broken US laws?

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by simion314 » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 4:58 PM UTC

iso1631 wrote: post #25

kadoban wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US can decide who its allies are, other countries can do the same for themselves. What are you even objecting to here?

There are a lot of people on HN arguing against sanctioning Russia for invading a sovereign state, they believe that the west should just turn a blind eye to it. It's quite interesting, it's pretty much the only place on the internet I encounter such posts.

>It's quite interesting, it's pretty much the only place on the internet I encounter such posts.

You can find similar or even wierder ideas on reddit. Like one dude that said is from USA was telling me that Russia is the victim, was provoked by USA and on top of that he was on the opinion that countries in Easter Europe belong to Russia sphere of influence, that we the Easter Europeans have no rights, only USA and Russia have the rights to split the world and if Ukraine or Mopldvoa wants in EU is USA fault and is against the rights of Russia to "influence" countries East of Berlin.

I am curious, is this something many USA people think, that the "sphere of influences" crap is still relevant today and that we the small countries should not have a choice in it?

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by chitowneats » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 4:59 PM UTC

k_paleologos wrote: post #61

rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Is government involvement problematic? Many firms have government involvement, often in an under the table manner. For example Airbus. Government involvement is in itself no grounds for banning a company.

When that government is actively stealing your intellectual property, hacking your computer systems and installing ransomware, threatening war against an important ally...

And when the product is telecommunications technology...

I'm going with yes. The EU and the PRC are not even remotely comparable from the perspective of the U.S.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by k_paleologos » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

galdosdi wrote: post #57

rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Yes, exactly. For those in a hurry, here's an excerpt from the executive summary. ``` Despite hours of interviews, extensive and repeated document requests, a review of open-source information, and an open hearing with witnesses from both companies, the Committee remains unsatisfied with the level of cooperation and candor provided by each company. Neither company was willing to provide sufficient evidence to amelior…

"During the investigation, the Committee received information from industry experts and current and former Huawei employees suggesting that Huawei, in particular, may be violating United States laws. "

This is a claim which can only be proven in a court of law.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by rgbrenner » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

k_paleologos wrote: post #61

rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Is government involvement problematic? Many firms have government involvement, often in an under the table manner. For example Airbus. Government involvement is in itself no grounds for banning a company.

These companies have a board of Communist Party members that approve all company decisions/actions.