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U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by theli »

71a54xd wrote: post #13
Kukumber wrote: post #4

What it is called when the US sells weapons to European countries that are connected to the US network, share data and can only be activated by US officials? Should their customers retaliate? "we can do it, you can't" https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23052/foreign-f-35-use...

Exactly, why would you sell weapons to even an ally (who at some point could broker those weapons / IP to a near-pear adversary or grey area state) anywhere near as capable as your own? Obviously, when it comes to terrorist groups and broke eastern european nations the U.S. has made mistakes with this line of reasoning. Re: captured weapons in ukraine ending up on the black market...

I don't believe there has been any confirmation of weapons sent to Ukraine ending up on the black market or has there?

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by kadoban »

Kukumber wrote: post #19
kadoban wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US can decide who its allies are, other countries can do the same for themselves. What are you even objecting to here?

Have you been sleeping for the past 20 years? https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impac...

> Have you been sleeping for the past 20 years?

Only about a third of them.

> https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impac...

Sorry, I'm not following how that relates to really anything in the current conversation.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by ranger47 »

tosh wrote: post #16

Can anyone familiar with the topic ELI5 this? Does this mean you can't use (buy? (sell?)) ZTE or Huawei modems in the US going forward? Or is this just a restriction re US govt related entities?

ELI5: The US and China are not very good friends, but Chinese goods still get sold to US markets. China's gov't has a hand in every company in its borders, or so it is suspected, since this is routinely denied by the companies and the Chinese gov't. Some of those companies make computers that can watch and listen to us, whether we ask them to or not. The US is no longer comfortable with that arrangement.

Of course, it's a little more complex than that...

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

"National security" has been increasingly been used over the last 5 years as a justification for measures that are actually much more broadly geopolitical in nature.

A private individual using a Huawei phone or router isn't a national security threat to the US.

However, in a broader sense, the US government sees the technological development of China as a threat to American strategic dominance, and has been taking ever more drastic measures to try to hobble the Chinese tech sector. The campaign against Huawei, which began a few years ago, was the opening shot. Blacklisting various Chinese semiconductor companies (which does not only prevent American companies from doing business with them, but which also threatens companies around the world with secondary sanctions if they do business with the targeted companies) was a further escalation. This was also justified as a "national security" measure, with the claim that these companies do business with the Chinese military (these claims were not publicly backed up by evidence, of course). Biden dramatically escalated the "tech war" recently with even broader sanctions against much of the Chinese high-tech sector.

The "national security" justification has become so broad that virtually any business with China is now being construed as a national security threat. Americans should consider if they really want to turn their relationship with the world's largest economy into one that is purely hostile.

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Post by iso1631 »

kadoban wrote: post #17
Kukumber wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Obviously the US (and other countries) do not have similar levels of trust and cooperation with China, hence these sort of responses. So now the US gets to decide who is worthy of becoming your friend? What's next?

The US can decide who its allies are, other countries can do the same for themselves. What are you even objecting to here?

There are a lot of people on HN arguing against sanctioning Russia for invading a sovereign state, they believe that the west should just turn a blind eye to it.

It's quite interesting, it's pretty much the only place on the internet I encounter such posts.

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Post by ausudhz »

71a54xd wrote: post #12

That took long enough! Glad we're finally looking out for national security interests, even if it was partially incentivized by economic protectionist ideas - it's naive to think China hasn't done the same to other foreign tech companies.

Ericsson and Nokia sell their 5G technology in China.

Actually funny enough they were siding China too on this in Europe because a ban of Chinese tech in Europe could've resulted in a ban of European tech in China.

and for anyone that doesn't live under a rock, they know pretty well that china is far a bigger market than Europe

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Post by totalZero »

tosh wrote: post #16

Can anyone familiar with the topic ELI5 this? Does this mean you can't use (buy? (sell?)) ZTE or Huawei modems in the US going forward? Or is this just a restriction re US govt related entities?

The order is almost 200 pages long but it states that it prohibits "marketing and importation" of the devices in question, among other prohibitions for equipment authorization going forward.

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Post by rgbrenner »

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement:

https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

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Post by googlryas »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #24

"National security" has been increasingly been used over the last 5 years as a justification for measures that are actually much more broadly geopolitical in nature. A private individual using a Huawei phone or router isn't a national security threat to the US. However, in a broader sense, the US government sees the technological development of China as a threat to American strategic dominance, and has been taking ev…

Why would this be considered souring the relationship, when it is child's play compared to the restrictions put on Americans selling in China?

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by nazgulsenpai »

acidburnNSA wrote: post #8

Original source: https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-bans-authorizations-devices... This covers Dahua, which I believe is the supplier that underlies cheap security cams like Amcrest, which have been a common choice for people who want local-only non-cloud cams for a long time.

Ouch, I own a few of these cameras. I chose Amcrest because they have a local US distributer who does all of the technical/warranty support. Interesting.
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