I am afraid Apple is more likely to remove wired charging altogether than to introduce USB in iPhone, this may be enough to game the law which explicitly says only "devices which support wired charging" have to comply. I just hope the EU lawyers will notice "wireless" MagSafe only replaces the connection interface (which should be USB-C) while still using a wire.
India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
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Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#112Given that this whole thing was about forcing one bad player, Apple, to do the right thing, why not sunset these laws in five to ten years? That way, future innovators don’t have to first get this requirement repealed. USB-C is not the be-all end-all of charging ports. Note for example the female connector with the fragile plastic piece in the middle. Better alternatives will emerge but now they have to pass through…
Because legislatures are incredibly short sighted and ignorant when it comes to technology. ("Would you like to accept cookies on this site you chose to visit, if not it won't work and you should probably leave")
Don't blame the legislators for malicious compliance. Don't set cookies (which is the perfectly reasonable thing to do for read-only visitors of many sites) and no consent is required.
And if the user registers for an account then they can be informed as part of the signup because it's a technical necessity to maintain a login, again no banner needed.
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#113Given that this whole thing was about forcing one bad player, Apple, to do the right thing, why not sunset these laws in five to ten years? That way, future innovators don’t have to first get this requirement repealed. USB-C is not the be-all end-all of charging ports. Note for example the female connector with the fragile plastic piece in the middle. Better alternatives will emerge but now they have to pass through…
Because legislatures are incredibly short sighted and ignorant when it comes to technology. ("Would you like to accept cookies on this site you chose to visit, if not it won't work and you should probably leave")
> Would you like to accept cookies on this site you chose to visit, if not it won't work and you should probably leave")
Literally not what the law says.
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you understand: It has to be USB-C or better. So if USB-D (or a worse name knowing the consortium) comes out, the idea behind the law is that it should also be allowed _instead_ of a USB-C port. IANAL though, so I am unsure how well they legally described that requirement.
> the idea behind the law is that it should also be allowed _instead_ of a USB-C port Indian courts are notoriously inefficient. “Better” would take a decade to define through case law. Anyone who can afford that is better served removing physical ports. In any case, I see no evidence of this in current releases [1]. [1] https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1876583
"Better" is irrelevant to the law, the requirement is a USB standard that's USB-C or newer. Apple is in the USB-IF so they can innovate there together with other vendors.
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
> law allows newer standards to be used. USB-C is just the required minimum Nobody is going to put two ports on a phome. Required minimum is the legislated maximum for physical interfaces.
I don't think you understand: It has to be USB-C or better. So if USB-D (or a worse name knowing the consortium) comes out, the idea behind the law is that it should also be allowed _instead_ of a USB-C port. IANAL though, so I am unsure how well they legally described that requirement.
> It has to be USB-C or better
What's the definition of "better". If Lightning is worse, then based on which criteria?
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#116I feel like EU and India are missing the obvious here - Apple will just remove the ability to charge via cable, and create even more e-waste and waste energy.
The EU is already monitoring wireless charging and will step in the same way if there isn't an industry-wide standard soon.
isn't Qi a widely adopted standard already?
what exactly are they monitoring?
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#117I wonder if other companies will follow Apple in crippling USB-C. https://www.xda-developers.com/iphone-15-models-different-us...
Not using an optional part of the standard is not "crippling" USB-C. And yes, I believe there are already Android phones which have only USB 2, or only USB 2 plus Gen 1x1 (5 Gbit/s) USB 3.
Why would a phone need to transfer faster than 5gbit? That's around 625MB/s (theoretically).
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is also my problem with this legislation. There is legitimate innovation in connector design. Surely people remember micro USB cables, which weren't really that good. I certainly never would have wanted them to become a mandated standard. While I think USB-C is quite well designed, this legislation makes it extremely hard for a superior standard to arise. The only reason USB-C has any grounds to be a mandated st…
I would argue that a hypothetical "superior standard" that only one manufacturer uses and is not interoperable is neither superior nor standard.
As a non-apple person I still think that the lightning connector is far superior to Micro-USB. And I would have been vehemently against a legally mandated Micro-USB port.
USB-C is quite a good standard, but it also incorporated some of the features of lightning, e.g. rotational symmetry, a significant usability enhancement.
The question is: could e.g. apple create a port which is significantly superior to USB-C, the way lightning was superior to Micro-USB?
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#119I am afraid Apple is more likely to remove wired charging altogether than to introduce USB in iPhone, this may be enough to game the law which explicitly says only "devices which support wired charging" have to comply. I just hope the EU lawyers will notice "wireless" MagSafe only replaces the connection interface (which should be USB-C) while still using a wire.
what exactly is the problem with wireless charging?
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#120Given that this whole thing was about forcing one bad player, Apple, to do the right thing, why not sunset these laws in five to ten years? That way, future innovators don’t have to first get this requirement repealed. USB-C is not the be-all end-all of charging ports. Note for example the female connector with the fragile plastic piece in the middle. Better alternatives will emerge but now they have to pass through…
It won’t be permanent just like the old school usb micro one didn’t prevent usb-c from coming to be