I wonder if other companies will follow Apple in crippling USB-C.
https://www.xda-developers.com/iphone-15-models-different-us...
India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
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Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
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#33I'm sure I'm not the first person to raise this concern but when tech improves to the point where there's a better option to USB C (or USB C is holding back other advances), are we going to have to wait for legislation to catch up before we can adopt it?
This is also my problem with this legislation. There is legitimate innovation in connector design. Surely people remember micro USB cables, which weren't really that good. I certainly never would have wanted them to become a mandated standard. While I think USB-C is quite well designed, this legislation makes it extremely hard for a superior standard to arise. The only reason USB-C has any grounds to be a mandated st…
Micro USB was the EU standard, you already lived through that.
That's why every Android and gadget out there used it, as opposed to 50 other connectors before that on feature phones.
Apple found a loophole around it by shipping a dongle with iPhones. With the update to the standard that loophole was closed.
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#34I'm sure I'm not the first person to raise this concern but when tech improves to the point where there's a better option to USB C (or USB C is holding back other advances), are we going to have to wait for legislation to catch up before we can adopt it?
The real solution is to not legislate a standard, but instead to say: "A 10% additional tax shall apply to the sale of any portable device. The tax will be reduced to zero if the device uses the most common charging port in the year the device was sold. The tax is reduced to 5% if it uses the 2nd most common port in the year it was sold." That means any big industry effort to move to a new port will, when it gets mor…
I'd rather it were about number of (perhaps some bar for popularity) models sold, not that multiplied by sales numbers. Apple shouldn't get a pass on Lightning just because the iPhone is popular IMO, it's about interoperability/repairability/longevity, not avoiding 'huh this is unusual'.
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#35I'm sure I'm not the first person to raise this concern but when tech improves to the point where there's a better option to USB C (or USB C is holding back other advances), are we going to have to wait for legislation to catch up before we can adopt it?
The law allows newer standards to be used. USB-C is just the required minimum.
The goal of the law is to ensure standardization of connectors is happening, not to enforce USB-C forever.
If "no laws" would be the solution, Apple would have switched to USB-C already. Unfortunately they didn't, proving the law was necessary.
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Ah, right. I missed this nuance in the debate. In which case I wholeheartedly approve.
You approve of having to have two charging ports in one smartphone?
There are a lot more devices covered than just smartphones. Any superior connector can get market penetration in larger devices that have fewer problems with two charging ports (tablets, laptops, keyboards, battery operated loudspeakers, e-book readers, etc.). At that point the commission will either take notice on their own or can be lobbied to switch to the new connector with a sufficiently long transition period.
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Why the whataboutism? Just cheer the progress.
Mandating standards by laws isn't progress. It holds the future back. This and the EU will be looked back on as a disastrous piece of legislation in the future. It's amazing how nearsighted these governments are being. Standards are universally created by industry organically, not created by governments.
I guess you're a believer in this "invisible hand" cult.
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
You approve of having to have two charging ports in one smartphone?
Inductive charging, don't be silly.
Inductive charging doesn't count. You can get out of the USB-C requirement by having only inductive charging, but as soon as you have a physical connector that supports charging one of them has to be USB-C. (At least in the EU version of the requirement)
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#39I'm sure I'm not the first person to raise this concern but when tech improves to the point where there's a better option to USB C (or USB C is holding back other advances), are we going to have to wait for legislation to catch up before we can adopt it?
The EU is watching the USB-IF for further improvements. Currently it is limited to 100 Watt and common devices like latops and smartphones. And they're watching wireless-charging already. If Apple or some of the other usual suspects (Microsoft, Amazon, Google) tries to push a proprietary technology the can act hopefully quicker. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_... I'm still looking for the…
I think it is disingenous to compare USB-C to power plugs. USB-C does a million more things than power delivery and there is significantly more room for innovation.
>Nobody prevents any manufacturer to add additional charging ports.
Except for market demands of smaller phones.
My question to you is: would you have wanted micro-USB to be standardized like this?
Re: India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging for smart devices
#40I'm sure I'm not the first person to raise this concern but when tech improves to the point where there's a better option to USB C (or USB C is holding back other advances), are we going to have to wait for legislation to catch up before we can adopt it?
Why would that be a problem at all? If a significant advance in charging connectors is made, they can simply amend the law. These laws don't say you can't make better chargers, they say if you make a mass produced device from the provided categories and it's going to charge by cable you will need to make sure that it has at least one USB-C charging port. Besides, this is only in EU(and India now). Sure, there's a Bru…
> Why would that be a problem at all? If a significant advance in charging connectors is made, they can simply amend the law.
The problem is if the law of 1 country is not amended then you have fragmentation. What does apple do? Change for 1 country and be fined in another? Not release in some countries? Have different devices?