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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by dzader »

calculatte wrote: post #343
AustinDev wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a meta comment. This exact comment 1 year ago would have been downvoted until it was dead. However, much of the evidence for this was available at that time. I sadly think we'll continue to see excess deaths climb over the coming years particularly in the US. I'm glad I only got the J&J shot way back when it came out and avoided 3+ rounds of Pfizer or Moderna primary and boosters.

It seems the only difference between conspiracy theory and accepted fact is about 18 months now.

you need to get off the internet for a few hours a day buddy

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by nomel »

floor2 wrote: post #209
nomel wrote: post #119

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With the media black out of anything anti-pro-vaccine, it’s not surprising that natural immunity provides better protection isn’t more well known: https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...

This argument has never made any sense. It's literal survivorship bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias You're saying "If you survive getting covid without serious injuries once, then you'll be less likely to get serious injuries on a re-infection later". The vaccine is to make it less likely that you get serious injuries from that first exposure.

Please read the context of what you're responding to.

COVID was around before the vaccines, and before the boosters, and between the boosters. Some of us got it before the boosters were available, and before the next booster was due. This is the context you're responding to.

For a stupid real world example, my college friend had COVID was required to get the booster while he was recovering from COVID, so that he could continue school after. There's plenty of nonsense still going around. Natural infection usually doesn't count in the school system, from what I've seen. Surprisingly it does, where I work.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by t0mas88 »

walterbell wrote: post #238
mikysco wrote: post #232

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The obvious explanation for other country's vaccine recommendations is based in data. COVID kills the elderly (75+) who are more likely to be battling multiple negative health conditions beyond COVID. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsoverti...

No, those countries initially gave the Covid injections to all adults, then altered their recommendations to exclude some young adults, based on post-vaccine adverse events. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-mode... > Finland on Thursday paused the use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger males due to reports of a rare cardiovascular side effect, joining Sweden and Denmark in limiting its u…

In the Netherlands the Moderna vaccine is not used for younger groups. I think the cutoff is 40.

Anyone over 12 can get vaccinated and get a booster, but it will be the Pfizer vaccine.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by xboxnolifes »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #124
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. I'm curious about this. In my world COVID is over now. I live in San Francisco. Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore. Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

My world is split.

In my family sphere, covid is over. Though, to them covid was always overblown with the response being worse than the illness.

In my main friend group, most still feel we are still in the middle of covid. Though, from my perspective, their words/fears seem to differ from their actions.

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Post by ben_w »

annexrichmond wrote: post #370
rsj_hn wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of this has to do with social trust and politicization. For a number of reasons, going back to the early days of Tuskeegee syphilis studies, public health in the U.S. is viewed by large portions of the public as imperious, corrupt, unaccountable, beholden to big business and/or utopian ideologies, and is generally viewed with suspicion by many on the left and on the right. African Americans have the lowest vacc…

It's interesting the narratives you hear with regards to antivaxxers. My sister is vegan and is in many vegan, all-natural, etc Facebook groups. She told me there's a lot of overlap of people there and people who chose not take the COVID vaccine. One of her best friends is a teacher in Canada from Trinidad; she grew up without vaccines and similarly never gave her child the COVID vaccine These two examples just seeme…

> Although it still seems premature to call someone who only doesn't take the first mainstream mRNA vaccine an antivaxxer.

Non-mRNA COVID vaccines do exist.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by serf »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #379
tinus_hn wrote: post #361

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So why are the companies in the article researching the risks if according to you there clearly are no risks? Do you know better than the manufacturers?

Please try to keep the level of discussion one step above junior school. Otherwise there is no point in us communicating further. I didn't say there are no risks but those risks must necessarily be very low, as otherwise with a sample size of billions of doses issued even effects in the 1 in a million would be readily identifiable.

>..risks must necessarily be very low, as otherwise with a sample size of billions of doses issued even effects in the 1 in a million would be readily identifiable.

it's by no means easy to identify trends that are worth pursuing for a medical investigation in a varied cohort of a billion people, and poll size is only a single attribute -- this is made even harder during a vacination campaign that is trying to effectively drive the un-vaccinated rates to as close to 0% as possible, making comparative studies even more difficult to establish.

Time/race/status/age/health all matter. You can't just take a look at what conditions that the billions of vaccinated share, that's ineffective for any kind of impact study.

It's my opinion that any 'precise' data is going to come about in years and years once we can establish a generational gap between this event and others so that we can effectively create a cross-generational comparative study.

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Post by pandeiro »

ryandrake wrote: post #265
eftychis wrote: post #150

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People I know are getting COVID in the Bay Area -- multiple weeks sick (I can count at least 6 -- in the moment -- for the span of middle of October until now). We are still in the pandemic. The problem is it has to stop everywhere for us to get complacent. Especially, given that everyone wants to travel -- and travel abroad. Pandemic is here. Nothing is over. We are distracted with other things. Things are "good" in…

Yea, it's not even remotely over. People are bored of it, and it makes them sad, so a lot of them stopped taking precautions, but it's not over. It just ripped through my family in Florida (again) since nobody is masking there and everyone is just carrying on as if it were 2019. My kid's school seems to perpetually has a case or two. I take it seriously by getting boosted, masking, continuing to avoid crowds and publ…

Nuts is that on the basis of the flimsiest of evidence, your ascribing an efficacy in disease prevention to an intervention (wearing masks) that was widely understood to do no such thing prior to 2020.

Furthermore, respiratory disease avoidance on a society-wide scale has never and almost certainly will never be achieved. The assumption that it is an attainable goal is truly nuts.

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Post by barbazoo »

busymom0 wrote: post #108
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth noting, the Florida Surgeon General's opinion was lambasted in the mainstream media as him embracing conspiracy theories (and there is some interesting added context there as to why they believe so). Which... maybe two things are true at once. Perhaps he was - but also, perhaps his stance is not that radical. Radical compared to most Surgeon Generals in the United States; but on an international level? https://…

Even the neighbouring country Canada stopped giving Moderna to people under 30 a year ago in September 2021. The CDC on the other hand is still continuing on. Clearly something is wrong in the US.

I don't think that's true and it's not that hard to find out https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health...

> Approved for:

> Primary series in individuals age 6 months and older, or as a booster dose in individuals age 18 years and older (Moderna Spikevax® COVID-19 vaccine)

> As a booster dose in individuals age 18 years and older (Moderna Spikevax® Bivalent COVID-19 vaccine (Original/Omicron B.1.1.529 (BA.1))

> As a booster dose in individuals age 18 years and older (Moderna Spikevax® Bivalent COVID-19 vaccine (Original/Omicron BA.4/5)

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by detaro »

annexrichmond wrote: post #370
rsj_hn wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of this has to do with social trust and politicization. For a number of reasons, going back to the early days of Tuskeegee syphilis studies, public health in the U.S. is viewed by large portions of the public as imperious, corrupt, unaccountable, beholden to big business and/or utopian ideologies, and is generally viewed with suspicion by many on the left and on the right. African Americans have the lowest vacc…

It's interesting the narratives you hear with regards to antivaxxers. My sister is vegan and is in many vegan, all-natural, etc Facebook groups. She told me there's a lot of overlap of people there and people who chose not take the COVID vaccine. One of her best friends is a teacher in Canada from Trinidad; she grew up without vaccines and similarly never gave her child the COVID vaccine These two examples just seeme…

At least the former has been a common stereotype with other vaccines too. (and people I know who are into yoga have generally complained that there's a lot of influencers peddling various "natural" cures and conspiracy theories there)
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