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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by cmh89 »

coinbasetwwa wrote: post #162
tibbydudeza wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good thing he is so young - seems like a good indicator for no lasting damage. We really don't know much about this virus and by association it's vaccine - it does not behave like the flu - lost a colleague to Beta who was way fitter and way healthier than me (he did Murtai and BMI) - he ended on a ventilator and died, and I was just man down for week and a half at home. It still took me weeks to recover back to my…

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People are liable to drop dead the same day they drink water! They must be connected!

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by MaysonL »

sharken wrote: post #156
enragedcacti wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the OP but: Covid definitely isn't over, it's just that we've gotten better at treating it and people have decided that they are over it. It is still killing almost 2000 people a week in the US and it's very possible that we will see a huge spike in that as we get further into winter. the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

At least provide some facts to the 2000 people a week claim.

https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2022/11/covid-nov-11-2022...

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

jzb wrote: post #160
ivraatiems wrote: post #65

I would just like us all to stop pretending that any of one's fear of COVID or skepticism of vaccines or distrust of whoever or whatever is about rational calculated risks. It's about how we feel, so let's talk about that. Look, everyone is scared of doing something until they're scared of not doing it. Everyone distrusts government until they trust it, and distrusts pharma until they trust it. Some people will wear…

"Can we just admit this isn't about logic or statistics, and never was? It was always a persuasion game either way." Kind of? The fact is that we've turned into a society where we can't even be unified in trying to prevent disease. If "the left" is for vaccines, masking, social distancing, etc. then "the right" has to immediately be against it. I don't recall any of my friends or family needing persuasion at all. The…

I'm against social distancing because there is no scientific basis or justification for it. Scientists just went on TV and talked about an idea they pulled out from their behinds. I guess that makes me on the right for not believing everything that was presented to me on television, unlike my family, who are on the left.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by neuronexmachina »

calculatte wrote: post #144
queuebert wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi... There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma. - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of…

> Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid

Interesting analysis of the UK's excess mortality published in the BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o2524

> Surprisingly, mortality rates in 2022 for most of the 10 leading “underlying” causes of death such as heart disease, stroke, and lung and colorectal cancer have been similar to previous years, or lower than expected. An exception is the rate for “symptoms, signs, and ill defined conditions” (mostly deaths resulting from old age and frailty) which has consistently been higher than expected and also caused the most excess deaths, but not enough to explain the overall excess.4

> However, the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities’ (OHID) analysis of deaths by “any mention” on the death certificate—rather than just the “underlying cause” of death—shows a substantial excess, in particular, of deaths from cardiovascular diseases and diabetes since April,6 prompting an investigation by the Department of Health and Social Care. Growing evidence suggests that covid-19 increases the risk of cardiovascular problems even months after infection,7 which could in part be driving excess deaths. Covid-19 itself remains the sixth leading cause of death, causing 200-400 deaths weekly—a reminder that this virus remains a threat for the foreseeable future.

> Another possibility is that people may not be receiving the care they need from an NHS that was already overstretched pre-pandemic and is now coping with unprecedented backlogs of care and pressures on emergency services. This “crisis” situation has an adverse impact on all patients, but a lack of timely care can be especially life threatening for people with acute cardiovascular problems.

> ONS analysis shows about 3300 excess deaths occurred during the heatwaves experienced in England and Wales between June and August, mostly in older people.8

> ONS also notes that excess deaths can occur following periods when deaths were lower than average, ie, “mortality displacement.”5 Could some of the excess deaths since April reflect the lower ASMRs in early 2022?

I'm also curious about why there's such a difference in relative excess death rates between the US and UK. Currently in the US the weekly death rates are far below what they were in 2020-2021: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by xracy »

taolegal wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't be charitable with, say, Exxon, are bending over backwards to defend global pharmaceuticals. Exxon has an interest in minimizing (disregarding) the harmful effects of their products and same goes for Pfizer & friends who's got every govt funneling money to them seemingly without limit.

Nah, Pfizer is a terrible company. Pharmaceutical companies can rot in hell.

But that doesn't change the fact that vaccines save lives.

It's not that I am bending over backwards to defend Pharma. It's that people are bending over backwards to find shitty things in the silver linings of these companies, instead of just complaining about the thunderclouds themselves like the rest of us.

Corporations are big. Companies can be capable of doing shitty things and good things at the same time. If you wanna complain about Opioids, I'm happy to have a conversation about how terrible pharma is.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by ckw »

nmilo wrote: post #92
selectodude wrote: post #31

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https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.... Pick your poison, then.

> Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.

And the peak age/sex related risk is almost certainly understated in the paper, because ‘younger men’ refers to the entire under 40 population.

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Post by spfzero »

bluGill wrote: post #80
kyleyeats wrote: post #38

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> The vaccine doesn't stop transmission That is utterly false! If you don't get COVID because of the vaccine, then the vaccine stopped the transmission. Even if you get COVID, the chance you transmit COVID is reduced becuase the body spreads less. If you do get it, but your body will also clear it faster which is less time to transmit. Sure the above is 100% stop all transmission, but it still stops the majority.

It cannot stop transmission, clearly. The country is mostly vaccinated and cases continue, no herd immunity ever showed up.

The vaccines do reduce transmission in the minority of cases where full-blown symptoms last long enough that the reduction in infection length conferred by the vaccine is significant. But for most cases, they never progress to the point that the antibody response would become a factor, so most vaccinated people spread it just as much as if they were never vaccinated, in the early portion of their infection at minimum. So even if everyone got their booster today at the same instant, and every 6 months repeated that, it would still not stop the free movement of the virus among the population.

The only way to stop the spread is to do what China is doing, but with air-tight effectiveness, which is impossible.

That said, there's a big reason to get vaccinated and boosted anyway if you are in a risk group, since it is somewhat effective in protecting against serious and deadly outcomes.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by linuxftw »

jzb wrote: post #160
ivraatiems wrote: post #65

I would just like us all to stop pretending that any of one's fear of COVID or skepticism of vaccines or distrust of whoever or whatever is about rational calculated risks. It's about how we feel, so let's talk about that. Look, everyone is scared of doing something until they're scared of not doing it. Everyone distrusts government until they trust it, and distrusts pharma until they trust it. Some people will wear…

"Can we just admit this isn't about logic or statistics, and never was? It was always a persuasion game either way." Kind of? The fact is that we've turned into a society where we can't even be unified in trying to prevent disease. If "the left" is for vaccines, masking, social distancing, etc. then "the right" has to immediately be against it. I don't recall any of my friends or family needing persuasion at all. The…

> The fact is that we've turned into a society where we can't even be unified in trying to prevent disease

The vaccines weren't trialed and aren't approved to prevent the spread of the disease....so? I don't know about you, but I actually read the FDA's initial report on the Pfizer trials, and it was complete nonsense. They didn't even test each participant for covid, only some participants, with no clear reasoning as to which.

I'm never going to take experimental gene therapy drugs, it's just never going to happen.

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Post by floor2 »

nomel wrote: post #119
arein3 wrote: post #54

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The kid might even have had natural antibodies, since when the vaccines were approved for kids a very big percent of them already had covid.

With the media black out of anything anti-pro-vaccine, it’s not surprising that natural immunity provides better protection isn’t more well known: https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...

This argument has never made any sense. It's literal survivorship bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

You're saying "If you survive getting covid without serious injuries once, then you'll be less likely to get serious injuries on a re-infection later". The vaccine is to make it less likely that you get serious injuries from that first exposure.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by canadiantim »

Q6T46nT668w6i3m wrote: post #168
busymom0 wrote: post #108

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Even the neighbouring country Canada stopped giving Moderna to people under 30 a year ago in September 2021. The CDC on the other hand is still continuing on. Clearly something is wrong in the US.

Canada might be our neighbor but it’s wildly different from a population and care perspective.

Why is that the case? Moderna is good for Americans under 30 but not Canadians under 30?
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