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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by Fomite »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #125
Fomite wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is. With the exception of a very narrow age range of young men, the COVID vaccine is protective against heart disease alone, even ignoring all other outcomes.

> the COVID vaccine is protective against heart disease alone Wait, what? As in people should just take it as a prophylactic for heart disease, without even taking covid into consideration? It seems like this would be shouted from the rooftops if it were true.

No - it's protective against negative COVID-19 outcomes just if you consider cardiovascular outcomes, ignoring all the others.

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Post by adamsb6 »

abeppu wrote: post #82
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #15

Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection? It's possible that such a vaccine causes a number of such cases, and still prevents a much larger number of them. In fact it also seems to be true in this case. Discussing the vaccines out of this context, is scaremongering. You're much better off taking your chances with the COVID-19 vaccine than taking your chances unvaccinated. htt…

Also, myocarditis can be more or less severe, IIUC. The article links to this CDC presentation, and on slide 5 they characterize myocarditis associated with mRNA vaccination vs myocarditis associated with viral illness. The proportion that recover cardiac function, and the time to recover cardiac function are better in the mRNA case. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

Like just about everything, I would expect myocarditis to have some distribution such that there's a group of people who feel bad, but not bad enough to see a doctor. For the vaccines I would expect that people would be less likely to see a doctor because the vaccine side effects were so widely talked about, and going to the doctor carried a risk of COVID exposure.

The second does of vaccine knocked my wife and I on our asses for three days. I broke a sweat unloading the dishwasher and then had to go take a nap to recover. I figured we were just unlucky enough to have an especially strong reaction and didn't bother a doctor about it. Was that mild myocarditis? I'll probably never know.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

busymom0 wrote: post #122
selectodude wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.... Pick your poison, then.

1. Risk of Myocarditis is higher for males under 40 from the vax than from infection. Only if you look at the entire population and dilute that risk do you see risk being higher from infection. 2. The vax doesn’t prevent infection anyway, so whatever the point they are making is moot. 3. The risk is being compounded each time- first from vax, then from infection, then from boosters.

Btw, this was all known with increasing confidence by July '21 (Israeli data showed increased myocarditis risk after second shot), and December '21 (Nature paper stratified myocarditis risk by vaccination status and age).

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Post by calculatte »

queuebert wrote: post #43
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid.

Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi...

There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma.

  - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing
  - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of death based on those same broken tests.
  - Influenza, pneumonia magically took a couple of years off during Covid
  - PCR testing cycles at extreme highs
When all of the broken testing was finally admitted and discontinued, were the previous misclassified deaths reinvestigated or reclassified? Of course not.

The entire pool of data of Covid deaths has been poisoned. There is no interest in accuracy. But there does seem to be extreme interest in protecting the liability and profits of the pharma companies that coerced unproven, untested, ineffective "cures" that do not prevent infection, spread, or reduce symptoms.

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Post by generalizations »

warning26 wrote: post #134
loeg wrote: post #95

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Well you see, my [insert relative] had [bad thing happen] thus proving that [antivax talking point]. I've summarized every comment in this thread to save you some time for your busy monday morning.

Not really, unless you're only reading the threads that match your bias. Most of the higher-voted top-level comments are fairly substantial...unlike yours.

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Post by xracy »

chedca21 wrote: post #72
throwaway5959 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still glad I took my chances with the vaccine: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/brie...

The danger of contracting covid was inflated relatively by initial standards of care that later proved harmful; https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/why-some-doctors-... Also using steroids like dexamethasone were a later advent in treating covid that helped a lot. (They should have been standard of care right away like they would have been for any other respiratory illness). These early follies increased the p…

Did you look at the article?

The time frames for the graphs are not the beginnings of covid (EoY 2021). By that time the initial standards of care had improved to the steroid treatments (I can't say specifically which ones, because I do not know, but I do know they were generally the standard of care at that time).

The risk benefit analysis of the vaccine vs the disease is ultimately something that's impossible to do at this point, because it's impossible to be impartial to whatever side you think is riskier. In general, I think a disease is just always going to be riskier than a vaccine. Anything you say about the vaccine could be true of the disease as well until we have complete information about the disease.

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Post by tibbydudeza »

robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

A good thing he is so young - seems like a good indicator for no lasting damage.

We really don't know much about this virus and by association it's vaccine - it does not behave like the flu - lost a colleague to Beta who was way fitter and way healthier than me (he did Murtai and BMI) - he ended on a ventilator and died, and I was just man down for week and a half at home.

It still took me weeks to recover back to myself again - still got the booster shot afterwards.

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Post by nomel »

busymom0 wrote: post #108
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth noting, the Florida Surgeon General's opinion was lambasted in the mainstream media as him embracing conspiracy theories (and there is some interesting added context there as to why they believe so). Which... maybe two things are true at once. Perhaps he was - but also, perhaps his stance is not that radical. Radical compared to most Surgeon Generals in the United States; but on an international level? https://…

Even the neighbouring country Canada stopped giving Moderna to people under 30 a year ago in September 2021. The CDC on the other hand is still continuing on. Clearly something is wrong in the US.

It became political, causing FDA heads to resign [1] after threats [2]. And now, the latest booster was approved with no human trials at all [3].

1. https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned...

2. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/white-house-threatens-to-fir...

3. https://www.health.com/news/new-covid-boosters-human-testing...

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Post by enragedcacti »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #124
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. I'm curious about this. In my world COVID is over now. I live in San Francisco. Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore. Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

Not the OP but:

Covid definitely isn't over, it's just that we've gotten better at treating it and people have decided that they are over it. It is still killing almost 2000 people a week in the US and it's very possible that we will see a huge spike in that as we get further into winter.

the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

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Post by eftychis »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #124
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. I'm curious about this. In my world COVID is over now. I live in San Francisco. Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore. Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

People I know are getting COVID in the Bay Area -- multiple weeks sick (I can count at least 6 -- in the moment -- for the span of middle of October until now). We are still in the pandemic.

The problem is it has to stop everywhere for us to get complacent. Especially, given that everyone wants to travel -- and travel abroad.

Pandemic is here. Nothing is over. We are distracted with other things. Things are "good" in San Francisco and the Bay now. No guarantee it will be so tomorrow.

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