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Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

#211

Is it possible that you're not passing a DEI filter? A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into the end of the year.

"A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into the end of the year."

Any examples you'd like to share?

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay so let's be clear: you think it is wrong or unhelpful to speculate that race or sex may be a factor in what the op claims to be observing? Because "baiting?" What do you mean by baiting? I read that as you trying to shame people for even discussing the possibility that racism or sexism is a factor. As if it is somehow wrong to discuss these things. If you had a different intent, please share it.

I could speculate because the op is a Taurus. It holds just as much weight in the conversation because there’s no evidence that the op’s zodiac or DEI status are used to eliminate them in the hiring process. I used the word bait because unsubstantiated “DEI hate” is used on hackernews as lightning rods. I haven’t shamed anyone. If you actually read what I said above, you would see that I’m not denying racism in hirin…

No evidence? I was not in on any of those specific conversations and neither was the op but I've overheard a lot of conversations from hiring managers and they did explicitly discuss candidates race and sex, and I think if you ask around you'll see you are the outlier in having never seen evidence that racism and sexism have played a role before.

Just because you may not have been around when a tree fell in the woods doesn't mean it didn't make a sound.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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LinkedIn's algorithm seems to be related to how active you are. One step you could try is reaching out to any recruiters you may have added over the years and ask them if they know of any open positions you might be a good fit for. If you haven't added any you might be able to look in your feed to see if there are any advertising jobs and reach out to them from there. I know LinkedIn and recruiters get kind of a bad…

OP here. I've had basically no response from the various third-party recruiters I've contacted, compared to at least some response to my direct applications to specific positions. Letting recruiters do your job search for you sounds like a great way to go though if that's an option for you.

I've gotten certificates in the past and used to put them on my resume or LinkedIn, now I just leave them off. They're so minor compared to the rest of the stuff on my resume that realistically they aren't going to move the needle. In fact, no offense intended, but it feels like a junior move given my existing background, like putting my high school on my resume. I can see them being really helpful for some people, though.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position. This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education with…

Is this first job in the industry or mid-senior level? I don't think I've ever sent 200 applications in any of my job searches. Last time I didn't send any; I just flicked the switch on LinkedIn and Hired and had almost 60 recruiters reach out to me (followed up with about 18, had initial interviews with about 8 companies, ended up with 4 late stage interviews and 2 offers). And I wouldn't consider myself an amazing…

About 10 years ago I applied tot about 200 jobs.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position. This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education with…

Is this first job in the industry or mid-senior level? I don't think I've ever sent 200 applications in any of my job searches. Last time I didn't send any; I just flicked the switch on LinkedIn and Hired and had almost 60 recruiters reach out to me (followed up with about 18, had initial interviews with about 8 companies, ended up with 4 late stage interviews and 2 offers). And I wouldn't consider myself an amazing…

My impression is that it was a lot different back in June/July 2021.

Also that sounds like an impressive background, 6 or 7 or more companies over I'm guessing 10-15 years? Also the stuff on your HN profile looks pretty good too. Don't sell yourself short.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the UK and have: - previously passed a loop with FAANG ( didn't join tho ) - have a strong portfolio in a hard to resource niche Easily send out 200 apps and get ignored. The market is dumb, not sure I should quit over it tho

If you’re a FAANG level developer (very top of your field) then surely you’ve got a network of people you can ask for a job anytime rather than having to apply as normal? I’m not even remotely FAANG level but if I wanted a job I’d email some people I know or Tweet that I’m looking - not fill in a form. Have you tried working your network? Emailing some friends?

I hate that there's so much talk about networks. There's a ton of talk about anti-discrimination, equity/equality, etc in other areas of HN.

What's the word for cronyism if the person is qualified?

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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This is anecdotal but if you can, create a LinkedIn account and put your resume there. That's the only good thing about posting your resume there. I think the market will correct itself in Q2(2023).

OP here. A LinkedIn profile is essential, not only to have in general but also because most applications ask for it. However the really irreplaceable thing is having visible connections to people at past or current jobs. I feel like this shows you're an actual person who has worked at the places you say you've worked at and aren't just making things up on your resume. Maybe that's just me, though, because no one else…

For me the value of LinkedIn is 1.) A self-updating Rolodex given that actual Rolodexes and business cards, for the most part, don't exist any longer and 2.) Because people expect you to have one. That said, the information I have on LinkedIn is very scanty and I've never used it for job hunting although I've (very rarely) responded to recruiters who reached out to me.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first development job as a graduate I applied to 5 positions, got 3 interviews and offers from all 3 interviews. Degree from somewhere middle of the road in my country, some side projects, applying to large but not FAANG tech cos. I think I had a good CV for a graduate nothing _that_ spectactular. There's definitely some diverging experiences going on here.

Maybe people should have their resume looked over? I have seen some very talented people make some pretty glaring errors and/or just be pretty bad at making things presentable. I think they may be getting tossed out of the pile due to something they just aren't realizing.

Maybe, but probably not a huge percentage. There are tons of resources for helping review resumes and provide practice interviews. Mine was reviewed by at least 4 people and still took over 200 applications to get a job.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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I think the job market will get better by mid January 2023, when budgets open up. TC will probably be quite a bit lower than 2021 offers, but there's work to be done everywhere.

> TC will probably be quite a bit lower than 2021 offers

I mean, if nominal TC is lower, then you're not "desperate to hire". You're not going to woo over someone offering them less TC than their current position, and most of us that are probably ready for a switch are looking to fill a 10% gap in real TC caused by the economy. Just like my landlord says "the economy" and then raises prices faster than CPI, so too am I going to be adjusting my expectations on the real value of offers made.

But you certainly have to come in above BATNA.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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post #30

It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position. This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education with…

Is this first job in the industry or mid-senior level? I don't think I've ever sent 200 applications in any of my job searches. Last time I didn't send any; I just flicked the switch on LinkedIn and Hired and had almost 60 recruiters reach out to me (followed up with about 18, had initial interviews with about 8 companies, ended up with 4 late stage interviews and 2 offers). And I wouldn't consider myself an amazing…

Once you're a part of the club it's dramatically easier to get a job. A year and change ago I made the move into a legit tech company. I think it took me 50ish applications to get that one offer. That job was not meant to be and I went looking after a few months. With just that brief stint I applied to like 10 places, got some level interest from all of them, and ended up with an offer.
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