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Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by houstonn »

jimbob45 wrote: post #13
commandlinefan wrote: post #12

Is it possible that you're not passing a DEI filter? A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into the end of the year.

Is there any reason not to tick 'African American' and 'Female' on those forms? Surely they can't prove anything, right?

34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application

48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American

3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied

https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/57...

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by John23832 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #12

Is it possible that you're not passing a DEI filter? A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into the end of the year.

There’s no proof of this. Don't throw that bait out there with nothing to back it up.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

It's true that the number of job openings doesn't tell a complete story just as the number of layoffs doesn't.

The layoffs aren't a general crash, they're a correction of overhiring and overconfidence by certain companies that disproportionately gained from covid.

And while there are endless job openings, the average urgency to hire is low. Companies are not making offers if they don't fall in love.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by falcolas »

anon50118810 wrote: post #15
1letterunixname wrote: post #7

The macro economic conditions are such that only senior technical people and similar high-value employees are getting jobs.

It's absolutely true that almost all of the remote jobs I'm seeing are explicitly senior or above, or require 3+ years of experience. I meet this, but for entry level people looking for something immediately, I'd recommend support or QA work to stay afloat while building a personal portfolio and hoping to get lucky with an employer who is actually desperate for developers.

I'm not so sure that QA work even still exists. And I'm pretty certain it's been eliminated as a path to being a developer.

There's been an insanely strong push to eliminate QA and put that work on developers (in addition to all the other specializations they now generalize in) in the past decade.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by hotdamnson »

commandlinefan wrote: post #12

Is it possible that you're not passing a DEI filter? A lot of companies are running into trouble for not meeting their diversity goals, especially bumping into the end of the year.

I don't think that 'normal' tech / consulting / software house companies have those. It's more of a big corp thing.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by _ed7m »

It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position.

This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education without having to move is a very nice thing. Even if it takes 200 applications. It’s not common outside of engineering.

The median individual income in the U.S. is 32k [1]. Software engineers in the U.S., as a generalization of industry around the world, is literally the best that it gets.

That being said. Job hunting is soul sucking. Good luck.

1. https://datacommons.org/place/country/USA?utm_medium=explore...

(Edit because people are concerned about my 200 number. I got an offer for the first 60k position I applied for and decided to turn it down. I was shooting a tad higher. I’m also counting “one click” applications: Zip Recruiter and Linkedin.)

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