At some point, one has to consider that the crazy highly salaries of last years gold rush was putting a dent in shareholder value, and so Something Had To Be Done.
Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
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Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#192I work at Apple and my team has been “hiring” for the last 2 years with no offers so far. Why? Because even if you are a good candidate, hiring is not as easy as people think. Among the many challengues we have I can list the following: 1. The people interested in your profile have minimal influence in the process, 2. There are people who are always chasing for the shiny new object (or person, in this case), 3. There…
Regarding over the top accomplishments in resumes: every resume writing workshop tells you to do this. I don't think you should be rejecting these first just because someone listened to the advice of "sell yourself".
Have a relative who's quite accomplished in HR and recruiting and, can confirm, they don't encourage outright lying but they do insist you have to stretch everything to the max and freely imply a lot more than a very honest person might be inclined to.
Judging from the results for people I know who've had this person re-work their résumés, it's extremely good advice. Non-braggy résumés seem to just get round-filed for not knowing how to play the game, even if they're otherwise very well-written. I'm sure there are a few folks hiring—probably almost all at relatively small enterprises—who have the opposite reaction but they're instead rejecting good people who are simply playing their hand the best possible way, given the rules. Those who fluff up their résumés get much better results.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would they catch you? It's very possible to be of African descent and have white skin. Are they going to DNA test you?
Does it also work if you say you identify as a female even though you are a male biologically?
If it doesn't yet then give it 5 years tops.
Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#194It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position. This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education with…
I'm not in the US; if I had to send out 200 or even 100 applications I would change career. If I had to send 50 I would be starting to investigate other careers.
I'm in the UK and have:
- previously passed a loop with FAANG ( didn't join tho ) - have a strong portfolio in a hard to resource niche
Easily send out 200 apps and get ignored.
The market is dumb, not sure I should quit over it tho
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any suggestions on how to look for good contracting roles? LinkedIn only seems to have FTE roles.
Which tech skills? Full stack? Backend? any speciality skills?
Backend. Can't think of any speciality skills unfortunately. Generally building, testing, shipping and maintaining services. Familiar with C#/.NET and Python/Django.
Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#196I work at Apple and my team has been “hiring” for the last 2 years with no offers so far. Why? Because even if you are a good candidate, hiring is not as easy as people think. Among the many challengues we have I can list the following: 1. The people interested in your profile have minimal influence in the process, 2. There are people who are always chasing for the shiny new object (or person, in this case), 3. There…
A lot of companies say "we're hiring" but are not hiring , defined as actually extending an offer and actually employing someone. They're fishing, but not catching, or they're catching and releasing. We need a more precise word than "hiring". Everyone can say they're hiring, but they're not actually hiring anyone--they're just fishing.
We're interviewing.
Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#197I think the job market will get better by mid January 2023, when budgets open up. TC will probably be quite a bit lower than 2021 offers, but there's work to be done everywhere.
Is this how it works at most companies where new budget leads to new headcount and hiring in January? Is it due to an annual process?
Yes.
Think of it this way: From mid-November to the end of December, there are two major US holidays where most employees will take one if not two weeks of vacation. Onboarding is an issue because you won't always have a full team in place to support the new hire. Vacation is an issue because new employees generally don't get any accrued vacation time, so you end up with idle, directionless, new employees for almost half the period. It's also easier to hide budget issues if you don't hire someone who isn't going to be useful anyway. It's just easier for everyone if you shut it down in November and start again fresh in January.
Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#198Not now, but they were, about a year ago. I was one of them. Now, I'm turning away resumes, because we've filled the positions, after a long slog.
So you advertise jobs, but turn candidates away.
Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#199It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position. This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education with…
When I graduated in aerospace engineering in 2008 during the great recession, I applied for maybe 40 places total and got 2 offers. I probably could have pulled some strings to get 1-2 more from the places where I had interned (didn't bother applying to them because I wasn't interested). Aerospace in the US requires US citizenship so the number of applicants is 1/10th SWE. SWE also just has insane demand from people in India and China. So SWE is a crazy outlier because of salary, remote opportunities, established educational bases in some regions etc.
Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regarding over the top accomplishments in resumes: every resume writing workshop tells you to do this. I don't think you should be rejecting these first just because someone listened to the advice of "sell yourself".
Have a relative who's quite accomplished in HR and recruiting and, can confirm, they don't encourage outright lying but they do insist you have to stretch everything to the max and freely imply a lot more than a very honest person might be inclined to. Judging from the results for people I know who've had this person re-work their résumés, it's extremely good advice. Non-braggy résumés seem to just get round-filed fo…
> Non-braggy résumés seem to just get round-filed for not knowing how to play the game
That doesn’t make sense, there must be a different causality.