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Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by yreg »

mafuy wrote: post #359
yreg wrote: post #221

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Depends on the treatment. If someone tortures me, then probably not. If someone hires me, I move to the other side of the world, they fire me in two days and pay me out a million dollars, then I would say it is very acceptable. Also, compensation might be more than money.

I don't think you appreciate how difficult it is to navigate in a foreign country with no help. You could well be given $100 million and end up on the street because you were unable to complete the move-in process on your own. It's not like you can wave with dollars bills to fix this.

I'm 100% sure that with my 100M I would be able to find a place to live in Canada without any help. I would also be able to buy a plane ticket and find a new place to live in my home country.

But anyway, how do you know Meta is not helping him "complete the move-in process"? That's what I'm ranting about here — we know NOTHING about the terms and circumstances with which they've ended the contract. Yet you all seem to be incredibly sure that it was handled poorly.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by Tao3300 »

Sakos wrote: post #189
vintagedave wrote: post #130

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> so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency Reading them, so am I. There is no sign of empathy: that understanding of another individual, the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes, that is fundamental to a healthy society and (IMO) personal integrity. I read a comment a few years ago that no-one thinks of themselves as a bad person. To yourself, you are always okay.…

I can't stand reading the conversations on HN about anything related to the well-being or suffering of other people. I try to limit myself to technical topics only, or I start to get depressed and/or angry.

There's a vocal contingent of PHB middle manager of the year contestants that are desperately trying to flood discussion with their inhumane opinions to make them seem mainstream. The previous "budding Elons" label is a good one, and we should be flagging these bad actors at every turn.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

antegamisou wrote: post #274
Sakos wrote: post #189

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I can't stand reading the conversations on HN about anything related to the well-being or suffering of other people. I try to limit myself to technical topics only, or I start to get depressed and/or angry.

Even in technical discussions, you can observe arrogance and dismissal by commenters who are unacceptably underqualified in the subjects being discussed. This place has become a joke nowadays.

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by Tao3300 »

coinbasetwwa wrote: post #307
gw98 wrote: post #248

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Having worked in tech for 25 years it doesn’t surprise me. Some people I’ve worked with are barely human. A colleague a few years ago went as far as to suggest that this is how you ended up with nazis. I hope with ubiquitous communications now that we tell these people that no it’s not acceptable to behave like this! Compassion should be awarded.

“Barely human”.. that’s a pretty nazi-esque way of looking at others. Perhaps people simply have different opinions and priorities.

Darned if you do, damned if you don't. You need to block fascists but need to stop short of fascist levels of intolerance or else you're the fascist. Strive not with monsters, as Nietzsche said.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by Tao3300 »

rejectfinite wrote: post #276
genidoi wrote: post #219

So many commenters here (presumably US/CA citizens) don't realize that the gut-wrenching feeling of being laid off whilst your visa depends on uninterrupted employment is _nothing_ like the SHTF-but-all's-ok feeling of being laid off 'regularly'. In the USA, for most work visas, you are given a 60 day death clock pleasantly sugarcoated as a 'grace period' to find a new employer or leave the country. Cue trying weave…

And so many people are okay coming into another country and wage dump because "its their right" to move halfway across the world to work in the USA or EU. See stuff like: https://www.thelocal.se/20070523/7387/ You can't have it both ways. ---- I guess this is just CBS being racist :) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-h-1b-visas-have-been-abused ... "But this week on 60 Minutes, correspondent Bill Whitaker reports that…

I don't know about you, but that's pretty much how/why my ancestors got here.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by Tao3300 »

Closi wrote: post #80
hooby wrote: post #58

Imho the real question here is, why is it that Meta keeps hiring right right until they do large layoff rounds? The kind of issue that requires large layoff rounds is not something that just materializes overnight, out of the blue. So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze (in addition to other measures taken…

> So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze [...] Why do they go from hiring to firing in the blink of an eye? They did have a hiring freeze, and didn't really go from hiring to firing in the blink of an eye: * In May they froze hiring for engineers and low-level data scientists. * In July they announced that…

> Although this individual story is awful, at the scale of 12,000 layoffs unfortunately there will inevitably be instances where the circumstances are poor.

Basically 1 layoff is a tragedy, 12K is a statistic.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by yreg »

nisegami wrote: post #380
yreg wrote: post #194

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So 'not being laid off' is a necessary condition of not being treated poorly? The severance amount or any other services provided are irrelevant, because he was implicitly treated poorly by having contract terminated?

>The severance amount or any other services provided are irrelevant, because he was implicitly treated poorly by having contract terminated? Yes, I'm glad you understand that after a months-long period of preparing to uproot his entire life, it is cruel to him to immediately go back on your word.

Don't pretend I agree with you. I merely understand what is your view.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by coldtea »

luckylion wrote: post #347
coldtea wrote: post #335

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> And you just choose who you consider "people" and who you consider "scum". Yes. That's necessary too. Did you rather treat everybody as an undifferentiated fog? Compassion is not about bending over backwards for jerks. > It's like that old joke about Linux being user-friendly, it's just very picky about who it considers a user. Even that is very defensible: you can be user-friendly for different groups with differe…

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>And the Nazis do the same, they'll just, like you, say "I don't consider that a human", and then act like you.

Yeah, it's kind of like how Nazis killed people, and anti-Nazis killed people too.

So from that aspect they'd be the same. Besides, both sides also breathed, drank beer, and tied their shoes.

But the anti-nazis killed Nazis, not just anybody that they fancied for power, and they did it for freedom, and they didn't base it on innate characteristics (like being a Jew, or gypsie, or gay) but on bad behavior (like having occupied half of Europe, and burned people) and on stopping aggression.

So, yeah, there's that.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by hnfong »

rejectfinite wrote: post #316
jdright wrote: post #311

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You have zero clue of what you're talking about, don't shame yourself this bad in public.

Anything substantial you want to add?

Facebook pays prevailing "Silicon Valley FAANG" wages. There are firms that abuse the H1B process, but Facebook/Meta is not one of those.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by vintagedave »

jamincan wrote: post #247
jimkleiber wrote: post #232

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> I read a comment a few years ago that no-one thinks of themselves as a bad person. To yourself, you are always okay. From my focus on emotions and conflict over the last 10 years, I'd say many people actually think they're bad people (or at least that they might be). I think one of the hardest things is to defend our own good intentions and I've found that as I get better at doing it for myself, I tend to also defe…

I wonder if it's not a bit like the Dunning-Kruger effect. The good people around us struggle thinking that they're bad, while the bad people blithely go around thinking they're good.

That's very insightful. I suspect you're very right. Thankyou for sharing the thought.
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