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Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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My sympathies for the gentleman -- but out of curiosity: for cases like this, what "time duration" would be "not surprising"? Even if he had stayed on for one more month, that would have been as shocking as well. Two months? Three? My suspicion is that there's no time duration within which this wouldn't be an upsetting experience. Perhaps unless we're talking about like a year, which no company would do anyway.

imho, 3 months at least, 4 would be nice and 6 great

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

> so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency Reading them, so am I. There is no sign of empathy: that understanding of another individual, the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes, that is fundamental to a healthy society and (IMO) personal integrity. I read a comment a few years ago that no-one thinks of themselves as a bad person. To yourself, you are always okay.…

> I read a comment a few years ago that no-one thinks of themselves as a bad person. To yourself, you are always okay.

From my focus on emotions and conflict over the last 10 years, I'd say many people actually think they're bad people (or at least that they might be). I think one of the hardest things is to defend our own good intentions and I've found that as I get better at doing it for myself, I tend to also defend the good intentions of others.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

#233

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I can't see the article to mention if he gets this package, remembering a few situations from my life I'd expect him not to get any package since he only worked for 2 days..

not true, everyone affected gets the package whether they joined 2 days ago or 2 years ago.

I don't know that, I don't work for Meta. Would be nice if you can share source to back your claim, if Meta is paying whole package to somebody who only worked for 2 days then that would be entirely different story for that guy.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

#234
I sympathize sincerely. A friend once worked at a startup that hired new people and made them relocate from all over the U.S. to NYC.

The founders said noting about the runway ending. A few weeks later, the company closed.

I imagine being from India, you have little leverage. Just getting sponsored is a feat.

Personally, if I am ever in that situation, I will demand a reciprocal commitment - if you let me go right after I uproot my life, I want a healthy bundle of walk-away money.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Theoretically it is; practically corporations are implicitly immoral - they’re not human, they have no feelings, it’s only left to whatever (HR in this case) procedures are in place to ensure a positive outcome. Such procedures tend to fail when you move fast and break things.

No matter which way you try and slice it, there's always a human at the end of the decision. A human made the policies, a human made the layoff decision, a human decides to enforce policy.

Saying a human is at the end of this decision is like saying a gun is at the end of a decision to shoot.

The company is going to do layoffs regardless. If you swap in another CEO for Mark, that's just giving the company a different weapon to do the deed.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I read a story on my LinkedIn feed about a lady who had it worse: she relocated to the US with her family a couple months ago on an L1 visa, before being fired from Meta. Because of this, she now has a few months to pack her belongings, because obviously the L1 is non-transferable, and even if she applies and wins on the H1-B lottery and finds a sponsor the earliest she could start working again is fall of next year.…

I think that treating the adversarial and anti-business (and, dare I say, inhumane) US immigration policies as simple facts of life is a mistake. These are not stone tablets carved by a god; these are policies that people presently living dreamed up and implemented. They were made and they can be unmade.

Life isn’t unfair nearly as often as US immigration policies are unfair.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

#237

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

As someone who immigrated to West. I was initially shocked by people's attitude. At times I was outright told that you are

* Filling diversity quota

* Cheaper

* Economic migrant

The worst part about this is that I was working doubly hard, paying insane taxes while paying insane rents. But eventually I realized people saying these things are just looking for their psychological safety. Of course such people are a minority and usually from lower rungs of society. When they see foreigners coming over and living a better life, they come up with abstracts and conspiracy theories. Sad to see such people filtering onto HN. This place has always been forward looking, so far.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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post #122

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

> This persons visa is dependent on their employment so now they get to go into a city they don't know and try desperately to find employment with an employer who is interested in sponsoring someone from abroad (which is a small fraction of the total employers). Alternatively they can just return to India? I'd be surprised if they didn't receive reallocation package (16k USD according to teamblind?). I don't expect a…

> I'd be surprised if they didn't receive reallocation package (16k USD according to teamblind?).

Are you sure they will be allowed to keep it? Relocation package is usually tied to one year work period in the new location and you have to give it back if you leave earlier than that.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

#239

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I mean, that’s simply not true. At a most basic level, if you’re going to collaborate effectively as part of a team for a long period of time then you need to realistically be ± 3 time zones at most.

That's only true if you're working entirely or mostly synchronously, which might be an indicator of inherent anti-patterns in your work culture and processes, e.g., lots of meetings instead of written documentation.

The problem with this approach is that reality is the opposite.

Good/best practices are rarely followed, maybe 20% of practitioners actually follow them in any field.

So that means that on a daily basis, about 80% of people need to work in those "broken" environments.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

#240

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It’s like the Trump hate, irrational and all encompassing.

Why do you think the trump hate is irrational? What is the main rational points and reasons you like Trump? Or at least, think that he is being unfairly treated, since that does not require liking/agreeing with him.

Fwiw I understand why people despise Don. But I don't understand the blind dedication to hate, especially when other politicians and leaders pull similar shenanigans and then there's crickets.

If you're violently against X or Y that's fine. But apply the rules evenly, fairly, and rationally. When you hate so hard and so long that you lose your compass...that's irrational.

The majority of Trump haters fall into this bucket.

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