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US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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> since the inflation was largely caused by lockdown stimulus This is a widely disproved myth.

Please explain how literally directly increasing the M1 money supply doesn't cause inflation. Everyone got money for free. Things that are free, tend to have less value.

08-20 money supply tripled but no inflation.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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It bears repeating because this is a common mistake in inflation discussions: a decrease in inflation metrics means price increases are slowing down, it doesn’t mean that prices are going down (that would require a negative CPI print). Also, this number is year over year, so the decrease just means the price increases between Oct 21 and Oct 22 are not as steep as between Sept 21 to Sept 22, which is not hard to achie…

Many words for something that can be explained by a single cumulative CPI graph.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Shadowstats is bullshit for a number of reasons - you can read up on most of them on the official articles and publications and justifications on the BLS website -- which are generally written by statisticians with maths or econ PhDs with no vested political interest, unlike Shadowstats which is written by an MBA who needs to sell a newsletter. But you can very easily debunk Shadowstats by just averaging the ridiculo…

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That’s not confirmation bias in the slightest. It’s taking a claim and making observations and then noting that the observations don’t match the claims.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#234

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They effectively said, "The increase went down." It would have been much clearer for them to say, "The increase has slowed."

This is like the 3rd derivative, right? e.g. we now have a slightly lower rate of acceleration towards the cliff than before?

I think it's second derivative.

3rd derivative would be Nixon's:

>When campaigning for a second term in office, U.S. President Richard Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing, which has been noted as "the first time a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection."[2] Since inflation is itself a derivative—the rate at which the purchasing power of money decreases—then the rate of increase of inflation is the derivative of inflation, opposite in sign to the second time derivative of the purchasing power of money. Stating that a function is decreasing is equivalent to stating that its derivative is negative, so Nixon's statement is that the second derivative of inflation is negative, and so the third derivative of purchasing power is positive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_derivative#Economic_exam...

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#235

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> since the inflation was largely caused by lockdown stimulus This is a widely disproved myth.

Please explain how literally directly increasing the M1 money supply doesn't cause inflation. Everyone got money for free. Things that are free, tend to have less value.

Everyone got a relatively small amount of money for free. It was nowhere near the amount that would be necessary to cause this amount of inflation.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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"the rate of increase of inflation is decreasing"

Not sure if this is quoting that economist from the 70s, but in this case it’s inflation that’s decreasing. We’re still just talking about the second derivative of prices, not the third!

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Shadowstats is bullshit for a number of reasons - you can read up on most of them on the official articles and publications and justifications on the BLS website -- which are generally written by statisticians with maths or econ PhDs with no vested political interest, unlike Shadowstats which is written by an MBA who needs to sell a newsletter. But you can very easily debunk Shadowstats by just averaging the ridiculo…

> on the BLS website

This is begging the question though. If the problem is BLS, then using BLS as a reference that BLS isn't the problem is blatantly fallacious. The claim is that BLS is deceiving us... so it doesn't make any sense to use them to adjudicate whether they're deceiving us or not. You see the problem right?

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#239

Anyone know of a publicly available data of grocery prices for staple products month over month? I really wish I would have saved my grocery receipts over the past five years. Rather than rely on my perceptions.

If you buy from Whole Foods and have Amazon Prime, your receipts are in your order history forever. It's actually been informative, because amidst all of the breathlessness from the past two years, every time I have bothered to check, most of the prices I'm paying haven't gone up at all or have gone up a tiny bit. I buy almost all raw ingredients and cook from scratch, which maybe just works differently than processe…

>My grocery bills overall have definitely gone up, but that's because I stopped eating out and buy a lot more groceries.

Wouldn't this make your bills go down?

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#240

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Shadowstats is bullshit for a number of reasons - you can read up on most of them on the official articles and publications and justifications on the BLS website -- which are generally written by statisticians with maths or econ PhDs with no vested political interest, unlike Shadowstats which is written by an MBA who needs to sell a newsletter. But you can very easily debunk Shadowstats by just averaging the ridiculo…

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