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US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#31
It bears repeating because this is a common mistake in inflation discussions: a decrease in inflation metrics means price increases are slowing down, it doesn’t mean that prices are going down (that would require a negative CPI print).

Also, this number is year over year, so the decrease just means the price increases between Oct 21 and Oct 22 are not as steep as between Sept 21 to Sept 22, which is not hard to achieve because Sept 21 to Oct 21 had a bigger month over month jump.

The right way to interpret this number is that high prices have plateaued a bit. Yes that means your groceries are going to be x% higher than in 2020. Short of deflation, they always will be.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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It's not a lie, it's just not so simple that you can stop reading after the headline. This very post includes information about category-by-category inflation. Inflation for food has been about 10% YOY. Dairy is 15% and fresh milk is 14.5% (13.2% for whole milk and 15.4% for 0, 1, and 2% milk).

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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You need to calculate all staples. It is human nature to focus on outliers.

Milk is also traditionally a loss leader for stores. 10 years ago stores were paying $4/gallon for their milk while only charging $2. They made that up by profit on other items you bought at the same time as milk. So if stores are changing this marketing tactic that alone brings milk to a normal price.

The price of milk is very volatile normally. When there is too much or too little rain the price goes up as there is less crops for the cow to eat. When rain is in ideal amounts the input costs go down and so the price of milk goes down. (milk prices are federally regulated so supply and demand do not apply!)

Fast food has had the dollar menus for over a decade, just 2% inflation over a decade means they should be $1.22 now. I can't remember when dollar menus first came out, but I think it was closer to 2 decades ago, which would bring the prices closer to $1.50 just on modest inflation.

There are a lot more factors like the above that make calculating inflation very hard.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Inflation here means a very specific thing. You can check which prices they are looking at. How could it be a lie?

> You can check which prices they are looking at. How could it be a lie?

By excluding prices which make the number look bad despite them potentially being the numbers regular people actually care about. The same is true of including prices which look good but don’t matter as much.

And then by marketing that average number as a realistic approximation of price increases in day to day life.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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I have seen products in the stores I use that have gone down again. Many stores and producers definitely used this inflation to hike their prices way up. How many industries are reporting record revenue underscores this further.

I've been seeing this as well with specials. At the worst point is was buy 2 get 1. Now it's back to buy 2 get 2. I expect to see by 2 get 3 soon.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#37
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It's a bit higher in Denmark and I have a little too much stored as fiat in the bank. What is a safe asset to store value while inflation is >10% in a developed country?

Do you have inflation protected bonds? In the USA you can buy I-Bonds (max $10k/year per person) that pay interest at the current inflation rate.

But what is considered “safe” really has a lot to do with your timeline. How soon do you want to access the money? If it’s in tears then index funds are likely a good buy today.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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The biggest lie of inflation numbers is that housing costs are explicitly excluded, but rent and mortgage are massive parts of most people's cost of living.

Edit: I notice this article actually does include rent (but not the cost of buying a house), but from what I understand, it's usually excluded. Including rent but excluding purchase price is also weird.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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There is no possible way to make an inflation number that works for one person, let alone a whole country. The best you can do is have a statistic that you stay with and compare.

Ludwig Von Mises is sitting in his grave saying: I told you it was all relative.
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