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Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by lm28469 »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #32
LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

Yeah I'm thinking the same. Even without the screwups, it's an unbelievable waste of $44 billion dollars. He could have invested that in a nuclear fusion startup or something else that would advance his dual goals of clean energy and a multi-planet species (and almost certainly make better ROI than Twitter). Instead through a series of bizarre misteps he spends that on a useless vanity project that will distract him…

> his dual goals of clean energy and a multi-planet species

People still believe in that ?

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by lm28469 »

hoseja wrote: post #86
Laaas wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that unfortunately there's a lot of "tesla man bad" going around, causing dubious stories to be spread before they're verified. You'll also see lots of people claiming Musk somehow broke employment law by not giving notice of termination, which is unproven, and in direct contradiction with what he tweeted himself (he said everyone gets ~90 days of salary IIRC).

The intensity of "Tesla man bad" recently has been really astounding. I don't get it. I mean I kinda do but not this frothing mouth rabidity.

It' proportional to the "tesla man good" phenomenon, people would apparently sell their first born son before admitting anything Musk do is wrong

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by rob74 »

stefan_ wrote: post #98
rob74 wrote: post #85

> “Regarding Twitter’s reduction in force, unfortunately there is no choice when the company is losing over $4M/day,” Musk tweeted on Friday. The real question here is probably why anyone would pay 44 billion dollars for a company losing 4 million dollars per day. I mean, it's not some promising startup, it's a company that's been around for a while and has only managed to be profitable for 2 years out of the last 12…

$3M of that daily loss is just in paying interest on the $13B of debt he loaded up the company with to pay off the old shareholders

Ah, the good (?) old hedge fund "you pay us for buying you" technique (I'm sure there's a fancier name for it, IANAInvestor).

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by mhoad »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #59
mhoad wrote: post #15

It’s really hard to overstate how badly things are going over there at this point. It’s incredibly obvious by now that Elon and his crew of weirdos currently running the show (David Sacks and Jason Calacanis etc) were just marinating for years in an echo chamber of right-wing propaganda full of resentment against Blue Checks, fantasies of "shadowbanning", resentment of rules against hate speech, and lies about politi…

It’s not incredibly obvious to me. “Move fast and break things” is a viable strategy some of the time. Works for MVPs. Doesn’t work for surgeons. The corollary is “the cost of fixing broken things that need fixing because you broke them while moving fast is a fraction of the cost of not moving fast”. Does any of this apply to Twitter? We don’t know. It could still go in either direction and whichever way it goes in r…

I think your first sentence kind of sums things up here.

That isn’t the case for many others especially those who aren’t JUST in the tech ecosystem.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by theonething »

kibwen wrote: post #67
Sakos wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider, it's so bizarre seeing him fumble Twitter so badly. Has something changed about him or has he always been this way and the space industry was just less conducive to drawing out his batshit crazy?

Why are we giving Musk credit for these things? We don't give Jobs credit for the original technical success of Apple; that goes to Woz. Somewhere behind the scenes at SpaceX there's one or more people analogous to Woz who get all the actual work done. Musk's entire contribution is just to shitpost and posture for the techbros. He's not a technologist, he's not a programmer, he's not an engineer, he's not a physicist…

> He's not a technologist, he's not a programmer, he's not an engineer, he's not a physicist, he's not a rocket scientist, he's just a blowhard with a cult following.

These people and quite a few other experts in this field disagree with you.

> When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people.

Robert Zubrin - aerospace engineer

> Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. If he asks you a question, you learn very quickly not to go give him a gut reaction.

He wants answers that get down to the fundamental laws of physics. One thing he understands really well is the physics of the rockets. He understands that like nobody else. The stuff I have seen him do in his head is crazy.

He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. It’s amazing to watch the amount of knowledge he has accumulated over the years.

Kevin Watson - Head of Avionics, Launcher

Elon is definitely an engineer. He is deeply involved with technical decisions at spacex and Tesla. He doesn’t write code or do CAD today, but he is perfectly capable of doing so.

- John Carmack

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by theonething »

syrgian wrote: post #95
squokko wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the clear difference is that Musk is very clearly an extremely high IQ guy. Trump and Ye have incredible skills in their domain but Musk has really high general intelligence, but is clearly fucking this up beyond anyone's expectations.

Do you have any indisputable example of this? (as in quick, smart reasoning in real time, so it could not have been written by someone else). It makes sense to me that he would be smart as in raw reasoning capacity, but all the content I have been linked him to made him look pretty normal or even less smart than the average career engineer.

> When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people.

Robert Zubrin - aerospace engineer

> Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. If he asks you a question, you learn very quickly not to go give him a gut reaction.

He wants answers that get down to the fundamental laws of physics. One thing he understands really well is the physics of the rockets. He understands that like nobody else. The stuff I have seen him do in his head is crazy.

He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. It’s amazing to watch the amount of knowledge he has accumulated over the years.

Kevin Watson - Head of Avionics, Launcher

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by theonething »

lm28469 wrote: post #102
hoseja wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intensity of "Tesla man bad" recently has been really astounding. I don't get it. I mean I kinda do but not this frothing mouth rabidity.

It' proportional to the "tesla man good" phenomenon, people would apparently sell their first born son before admitting anything Musk do is wrong

I see much more "tesla man bad" here on HN and especially on Reddit.

Personally, I'm in the "tesla man has some good and some bad camp."

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by Macha »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #87
Maken wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have datacenters around the globe and small teams in other countries, both to hadle the local infraestructure and to have always someone on the clock in case some problem arises. For example, in my country they had 11 employes handling the datacenters (which apparently have been also fired).

For short form messages. How many employees does Fastmail have?

720 from a quick search. And they aren't even running an ad platform

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by RavingGoat »

theonething wrote: post #105
kibwen wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are we giving Musk credit for these things? We don't give Jobs credit for the original technical success of Apple; that goes to Woz. Somewhere behind the scenes at SpaceX there's one or more people analogous to Woz who get all the actual work done. Musk's entire contribution is just to shitpost and posture for the techbros. He's not a technologist, he's not a programmer, he's not an engineer, he's not a physicist…

> He's not a technologist, he's not a programmer, he's not an engineer, he's not a physicist, he's not a rocket scientist, he's just a blowhard with a cult following. These people and quite a few other experts in this field disagree with you. > When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was…

How much did he pay them to get them to say those things? He's clearly overmatched currently.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by Melting_Harps »

Sakos wrote: post #20
LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider, it's so bizarre seeing him fumble Twitter so badly. Has something changed about him or has he always been this way and the space industry was just less conducive to drawing out his batshit crazy?

> runs the most successful/effective space launch provider,

Gwynne Shotwell is COO, and in my view is the best in the business, and she handles the day to day SpaceX not Elon.

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