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Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by squokko »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16
LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

> I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. You and almost the whole world. There are still some people left believing him to play some kind of genius 4D chess. Same thing happens for Trump and Ye.

But the clear difference is that Musk is very clearly an extremely high IQ guy. Trump and Ye have incredible skills in their domain but Musk has really high general intelligence, but is clearly fucking this up beyond anyone's expectations.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by vntok »

saos wrote: post #24

Sorry why did Twitter need 7000. Employees? How many many were engineers?

Yes that was insane. Exactly one year before Whatsapp sold to Facebook for 19 billion dollars, that is in February 2013, they had about 200 million active users and 50 staff members.

And not all of those staff members were developers I imagine.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by rippercushions »

uri4 wrote: post #38
fabian2k wrote: post #18

The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.

> it's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off I beg to differ. People who are crucial to operation will be much better off. Less meetings, less bloat, less bs, probably better salary. I do consulting. Recession is good for business, companies lay off team of 10 developers and replace it with single remote consultant for 40% of cost. Also less taxes, since I work in dif…

It depends entirely on the projected trajectory of the company. If the company is laying off people and is trending towards bankruptcy, the smartest rats will be the first to jump off the sinking ship.

I'm not sure Twitter is in this particular boat yet, but if I was working at Twitter right now, I would definitely be brushing up on my plan B pronto.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by mhoad »

uri4 wrote: post #38
fabian2k wrote: post #18

The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.

> it's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off I beg to differ. People who are crucial to operation will be much better off. Less meetings, less bloat, less bs, probably better salary. I do consulting. Recession is good for business, companies lay off team of 10 developers and replace it with single remote consultant for 40% of cost. Also less taxes, since I work in dif…

I don’t know what kind of consulting you do but I hope it’s not business.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

uri4 wrote: post #38
fabian2k wrote: post #18

The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.

> it's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off I beg to differ. People who are crucial to operation will be much better off. Less meetings, less bloat, less bs, probably better salary. I do consulting. Recession is good for business, companies lay off team of 10 developers and replace it with single remote consultant for 40% of cost. Also less taxes, since I work in dif…

It's not about the math, it's about quality and reliability.

If that one consultant can do a better job they're literally a 10X programmer.

I suspect that's true very rarely.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by Maken »

saos wrote: post #24

Sorry why did Twitter need 7000. Employees? How many many were engineers?

They have datacenters around the globe and small teams in other countries, both to hadle the local infraestructure and to have always someone on the clock in case some problem arises. For example, in my country they had 11 employes handling the datacenters (which apparently have been also fired).

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by rippercushions »

garbagetime wrote: post #37
LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

How has he mismanaged it?

I believe the previous poster is referring to the acquisition process, not Twitter itself. Although the past week hasn't been exactly a promising start.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by grecy »

So I've seen every news agency on the planet run this story, and they either cite each other in a huge circle, or they cite "people familiar with the matter".

Do we have 100% concrete first-hand documented evidence this actually happened to more than -let's say- 10 people?

Somehow, I highly doubt it.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by uri4 »

fabian2k wrote: post #40
uri4 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off I beg to differ. People who are crucial to operation will be much better off. Less meetings, less bloat, less bs, probably better salary. I do consulting. Recession is good for business, companies lay off team of 10 developers and replace it with single remote consultant for 40% of cost. Also less taxes, since I work in dif…

Why would you expect their salary to increase. And I think the whole "work the whole weekend to get the new Twitter Blue done" thing shows what kind of workplace this is likely going to be in the future.

Key points:

- Elon said there are 10 managers for one engineer. We can argue about numbers, but I am pretty sure there are no 10 engineers for 1 manager

- Web UI is crap, it is slow to load etc... If twitter would accept pull requests, I would fix it myself. I am pretty sure tech people are frustrated by situation.

- I do not see any research from Twitter into federated networks, cryptography... I did interviews with twitter in 2012, this stuff was all cut latter... I think Musk may sponsor this type of research just to push his Dogecoin BS.

- Read how "hostile takeover" looks like. It is mess, also it is very very sensitive week. "work the whole weekend" is irrelevant. Things will look very different in two weeks!

- Key people will be able to renegotiate their contracts, with much much better salary. You probably need 100 people to run twitter. See Whatsapp...

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by bitecode »

captainmuon wrote: post #39
SkyMarshal wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm thinking the same. Even without the screwups, it's an unbelievable waste of $44 billion dollars. He could have invested that in a nuclear fusion startup or something else that would advance his dual goals of clean energy and a multi-planet species (and almost certainly make better ROI than Twitter). Instead through a series of bizarre misteps he spends that on a useless vanity project that will distract him…

Well, see it this way, the old owners of Twitter now have all that money. Maybe they'll invest in something interesting? The only difference is that it won't be controlled by an unstable Elon Musk. (TBH I'm not even sure who the previous owners were...)

It was publicly traded, with Vanguard, Morgan Stanley and Black Rock owning the largest holdings.

Source: https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/28/who-owned-twitter-before-elon...

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