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Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by mvc »

uri4 wrote: post #38
fabian2k wrote: post #18

The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.

> it's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off I beg to differ. People who are crucial to operation will be much better off. Less meetings, less bloat, less bs, probably better salary. I do consulting. Recession is good for business, companies lay off team of 10 developers and replace it with single remote consultant for 40% of cost. Also less taxes, since I work in dif…

> You do the math

Typical consultant. Get other people to do the work while you take all the praise ;-)

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by suprjami »

potro wrote: post #19

Are these fired workers really fired from legal perspective? Or they are suspended and informed that their employment contract will end on Feb 2nd?

iiuc the California WARN act doesn't let a large company (more than 15 employees) just fire half the workforce, so I guess these people have been locked out of their work accounts with full pay and informed of a future termination date.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by thirdvect0r »

garbagetime wrote: post #70
simonh wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly by signing a contract, changing his mind and then being forced to fulfil the contract by a court. By alienating a lot of prominent Tweeters and advertisers. Now by sacking a load of people it turns out he needs.

How many prominent users have left the platform? What will advertising revenue look like going forward? How many employees have been asked to return, how needed are they, and was it mismanagement or just an expected outcome of necessary, decisive decision making?

Obvious sealioning

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by IceDane »

This is going about exactly as terrible as you'd have guessed it would. Usually there is some redeeming thing, but it doesn't look like there is in this case.

When they started the layoffs, and with such short notice, I just knew there was a 0% chance that they'd happened properly and with proper preparation. There's going to be so much domain knowledge and expertise that's been lost, and half the teams are probably just adrift and confused because they now either have to do 2x the work or 2x their timelines, at the very least. Doing 2x the work might then also mean doing a bunch of work you're not informed about, so it might actually be 3x or 4x the work for someone coming in.

If I had gotten the boot and they were asking me to come back, I don't think I'd be saying yes, unless it was necessary from a financial standpoint. And even then I'd only stick around until I found a new job, at which point I would quit without notice.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by rob74 »

> “Regarding Twitter’s reduction in force, unfortunately there is no choice when the company is losing over $4M/day,” Musk tweeted on Friday.

The real question here is probably why anyone would pay 44 billion dollars for a company losing 4 million dollars per day. I mean, it's not some promising startup, it's a company that's been around for a while and has only managed to be profitable for 2 years out of the last 12 (https://www.statista.com/statistics/274563/annual-net-income...)?

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by hoseja »

Laaas wrote: post #71
grecy wrote: post #48

So I've seen every news agency on the planet run this story, and they either cite each other in a huge circle, or they cite "people familiar with the matter". Do we have 100% concrete first-hand documented evidence this actually happened to more than -let's say- 10 people? Somehow, I highly doubt it.

It seems to me that unfortunately there's a lot of "tesla man bad" going around, causing dubious stories to be spread before they're verified. You'll also see lots of people claiming Musk somehow broke employment law by not giving notice of termination, which is unproven, and in direct contradiction with what he tweeted himself (he said everyone gets ~90 days of salary IIRC).

The intensity of "Tesla man bad" recently has been really astounding. I don't get it. I mean I kinda do but not this frothing mouth rabidity.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

Maken wrote: post #46
saos wrote: post #24

Sorry why did Twitter need 7000. Employees? How many many were engineers?

They have datacenters around the globe and small teams in other countries, both to hadle the local infraestructure and to have always someone on the clock in case some problem arises. For example, in my country they had 11 employes handling the datacenters (which apparently have been also fired).

For short form messages. How many employees does Fastmail have?

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by bearmode »

LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

>I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll

You don't make a formal offer as a troll

He's always been an awful person; the cult that has developed around him just inflated his ego. Here's the result.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by hoseja »

fabian2k wrote: post #18

The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.

>important to keeping Twitter running

Let me know when you find more than a dozen of them.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by garbagetime »

thirdvect0r wrote: post #83
garbagetime wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many prominent users have left the platform? What will advertising revenue look like going forward? How many employees have been asked to return, how needed are they, and was it mismanagement or just an expected outcome of necessary, decisive decision making?

Obvious sealioning

I'm sad that you took my comment that way. In fact I'm simply trying to suggest that many people's views in this thread on Elon's management of Twitter are severely underdetermined by the evidence.
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