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Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by nsxwolf »

rjh29 wrote: post #40
willis936 wrote: post #6

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This was my first thought too. It's an amazing looking piece of kit. I will not be buying a Playstation, but I do wish the PC VR space had someone continuing to push forward. The Index is nice but they really missed a beat by going with LCD. I haven't used my CV1 recently but I'm under the impression I will need a meta login, which I'm not interested in doing.

The Oculus Quest 2 with Air Link kills most other headsets dead, being both cheap, high-resolution and wireless.

I find Air Link to be finicky enough that I hardly ever use it. Once it's actually working it's pretty great, but the dance I have to do to enable the feature on the headset, enable the feature in Oculus Home (the settings don't persist forever for some reason), then get Steam VR to be happy with it... it's a lot of clicks (both in the real world on mouse/keyboard, then in the headset with the controllers, and back out and in again when something isn't working), often requires rebooting the PC or Quest or both, and is just a UX disaster overall.

Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by qu4z-2 »

glenneroo wrote: post #93
barbazoo wrote: post #82

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It's not widely available in many other countries still.

I've been trying to get one since they came out for a friend and I just looked again: there is one company who has some in stock but they are asking 900€!

I was casually keeping an eye on websites, etc, and never found one. Then earlier this year I decided I really wanted one for Elden Ring, went in person to a games store and talked to them, and had one three weeks later. So that may be worth a shot.

Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by willis936 »

chaostheory wrote: post #45
willis936 wrote: post #6

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This was my first thought too. It's an amazing looking piece of kit. I will not be buying a Playstation, but I do wish the PC VR space had someone continuing to push forward. The Index is nice but they really missed a beat by going with LCD. I haven't used my CV1 recently but I'm under the impression I will need a meta login, which I'm not interested in doing.

Affordability is one of the major issues of the metaverse. Most people can’t afford a VR ready PC as is and you’re lamenting that the Index doesn’t use more expensive components. I feel that Valve made the right choice with cheaper components since their goal is increased adoption of XR.

Yet the PSVR2 is superior to the Index and costs half as much. Something is driving that it'd be nice if that something was able to propagate to PC VR.

Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by zizee »

onethought wrote: post #170
dfxm12 wrote: post #156

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Meta built an amazing, affordable product, but their brand is just so toxic that it’ll take a generational change before it can eventually recover its good will and people in developed countries trust it again. It's not their brand per se that's the issue, but the fact that their headsets were bricks unless you had signed up for a Facebook account with all the issues that come with that, from privacy concerns to gett…

This isn’t true. You’ve always been able to use a headset with an oculus account. More recently you had to switch to a Meta account. Neither of those are Facebook accounts. Source: never had Facebook, but have had Quests

I also never had to connect my (rift) headset to a Facebook account, but wasn't there a period when new quests needed to be connected to Facebook accounts?

Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by chaostheory »

VLM wrote: post #155

The problem I see is my PSVR1 is dusty because I'm bored with it. It was a cool experience and battlezone was fun but maybe 20 hours in and I'm done and its dusty. The marketing solution to the PSVR1 being boring is "its got more pixels and no backwards compatibility". That message is just not going to sell to upgraders like me. "It costs more" is not going to sell to people who couldn't/wouldn't pay for the PSVR1. S…

6 years is a lifetime in technology and a lot has changed. There are new use cases for VR since you last tried it.

1. Fitness - It's just a lot more fun to do when you're boxing in a Mike Tyson's Punch Out clone or slicing blocks with lightsabers. There are also VR specific fitness apps have a lot more variety than normal cardio exercises. In my case, I've lost 20 lbs to date... playing VR video games

2. Social - For friends and family who are hundreds or thousands of miles away, XR becomes a platform for hanging out with them while doing activities like ping pong, bowling, table top games, mini golf, and more. It has way more immersion and presence than a Zoom, Facetime, or normal phone call.

I would try it out again one day before rushing to judgement. At least you tried it the first time though unlike everyone else.

Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by vvillena »

onethought wrote: post #170
dfxm12 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta built an amazing, affordable product, but their brand is just so toxic that it’ll take a generational change before it can eventually recover its good will and people in developed countries trust it again. It's not their brand per se that's the issue, but the fact that their headsets were bricks unless you had signed up for a Facebook account with all the issues that come with that, from privacy concerns to gett…

This isn’t true. You’ve always been able to use a headset with an oculus account. More recently you had to switch to a Meta account. Neither of those are Facebook accounts. Source: never had Facebook, but have had Quests

If you didn't have a previously-existing Oculus account, there was a period in which you were forced to use your Facebook account. I think this was since the release of Quest 2, up until a few months ago.

Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by chaostheory »

willis936 wrote: post #183
chaostheory wrote: post #45

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Affordability is one of the major issues of the metaverse. Most people can’t afford a VR ready PC as is and you’re lamenting that the Index doesn’t use more expensive components. I feel that Valve made the right choice with cheaper components since their goal is increased adoption of XR.

Yet the PSVR2 is superior to the Index and costs half as much. Something is driving that it'd be nice if that something was able to propagate to PC VR.

PSVR2 is better than the Index in several ways, but PSVR2 came out 4 years after the Index. PSVR2 is also part of a completely closed platform. PCVR is a much more open platform which tends to mean higher prices. Let's also not forget that the Index uses base stations for tracking, which is much more accurate (and also more expensive) than inside out tracking.

Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by thestevesie »

rjh29 wrote: post #48
chaostheory wrote: post #8

I’m hoping with the PSVR2 launch that people will finally realize that the metaverse consists of way more than just meta and Horizon. The current complaints on how the metaverse sucks are like if people only visited Yahoo’s homepage and decided that it was the entire internet and that the entire internet was terrible. It’s a ridiculous way to evaluate an entire ecosystem, but in their defense at least they took 5 min…

Apple is the worst thing that could happen to VR. Facebook may be 'toxic' but the Meta is cheap, amazing, supports Air Link for PC, even has cross-play (buy a Quest game, play it on PC at better graphics). Privacy options, they -removed- Facebook login, you can sideload apps. Tacit support for modding games like Beat Saber. Apple would turn their headset into a walled garden with no ability to run custom apps and def…

Removed the Facebook login? Lol, now it prompts me every-time I use it to create a Horizon's account. I personally couldn't care less about the facebook login, and really never saw what the big deal was. I created a facebook account which I only use for the quest 2. You're going to need an account, what does it matter which platform it is from?

I'm sick of people criticizing Apple's walled garden. It's the primary feature of Apple products. It's what makes them what they are. If you don't like it, just buy something else. No one is forcing you to buy Apple if you don't like the walled garden. Many people like it and I'm amazed that there are so many people that don't understand that.

Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by chaostheory »

linuxftw wrote: post #173
chaostheory wrote: post #143

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I strongly feel that meta already did create that super polished platform with Beat Saber as the first killer app. Not enough people are even willing to give it a try due to a combination of FB’s broken brand and the intimidating giant box that you have to put on your face. Hopefully, the new smaller form factors will help with the last problem

Or, you know, we played guitar hero and there's no need to relive the past with a screen 3 inches from your eyeballs?

You haven't tried modern VR yet have you? Google Cardboard doesn't count.

Re: Playstation VR2

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Post by chaostheory »

zizee wrote: post #179
chaostheory wrote: post #53

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> You miss the point that video games are not a top priority for meta If that were true, the work features would have shipped already, but they were busy with gaming which is why they bought several game studios. Games were a major focus for meta because it’s one of the traditional vectors for new technology adoption. Well, that and pornography. Let’s hope that you’re right now assuming meta is changing course, and I…

The recent launch of the Quest Pro was clearly focussing on use cases other than games, and the pro's resolution and pancake lenses appear to be now reached "good enough" to work with/read text in.

That's true, but a common reviewer complaint is that the work applications still aren't there yet. There are a few design VR apps, but most of the big productivity apps on the Meta store are just bookmarks to web apps. This changes when MS and Office arrive on the Quest.
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