Live data from Hacker News

As last module docks, China completes its space station

nytimes.com

341–350 of 401 posts

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

#341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, copying is what you are supposed to do with technology when you are competing from behind.

See: early space programme when the the US realised it was behind where Germany had been.

See: Samuel Slater sneaking out of Britain to Rhode Island after memorizing the construction details of Arkwright's water frame.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

#342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean that's the thing, that wasn't the deal. No company, at all, would sign that agreement. Usually there is an nda, some kind of business agreement that says they won't steal your idea etc. and then they do. It's not like a company goes to China or another lower cost to manufacture country and signs an agreement to give them their business.

You are telling me giant conpanies with 100 people in legal did not study previous Chinese court cases and did not know that IP laws there are poorly enforced? I knew about this for 20 years and they didn't? All developing nations, whether China or Russia or Somalia, don't enforce some laws. Sometimes it's lack of strong state, sometimes it's lack of beurocratic capacity, or a concious decision. Anyone going into the…

I agree Nestlé should go to jail for child labor. The thing is they're a European company. We can't just lump everything into "western governments". That's like half the world.

The thing is,anybody these IP theft cases are also against Chinese law, they his choose to ignore it when it benefits them.

Corruption is everywhere, it's not an excuse to strive for anything less than right and truth. "Bevause they did it" is not a good reason.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

#343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contracts and deals are subordinate to the laws of the country in which we'd like them to be enforced. It's not like a company goes to China and expects tight IP laws. And hey, our (American) IP laws were a lot less strict when we were catching up to the British Empire. Countries generally try to set their laws up to benefit their industries (to the extent possible).

I agree with all this. Where does all the ip theft via hacking fall into this view? By this logic hat should be held accountable to the laws of this country, no? Lots of links to Wikipedia lists of examples in other threads here.

I don't think it is possible to simplify it down beyond what has actually happened. Hackers for China in the US fall under US jurisdiction and so they'll be treated pretty harshly. Hackers for China in China -- it's complicated, if they are doing something their government wants them to do, they probably won't be.

Then the US will try to incur some diplomatic cost for China, which does have a pretty bad reputation on this front... it's all part of the big game.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

#344
post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"sanction" is one of the dumbest words on earth. "to give official approval" vs "impose a penalty".

There’s a few other self antonyms just in English. “Cleave” immediately comes to mind

That only means "to split". I don't think it can mean "to join together" can it? Unless you mean "cleave to" which is rare and not really the same word.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

#345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"sanction" is one of the dumbest words on earth. "to give official approval" vs "impose a penalty".

The phenomenon isn't all that rare. Both senses of "sanction" derive from its original sense of "decree" - you can decree that something is allowed, or that it's not allowed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym lists several similar pairs, in which two contradictory senses developed from one older sense. (Along with many more pairs that are the results of different patterns.)

It's pretty rare for it to be ambiguous though. Probably only "table" from that list is also ambiguous. Dust could be from a grammatical point of view but it's always going to be obvious from context what is meant.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

#346
post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve noticed that a lot of news about china’s progress is censored, probably so we dont see how fast they are progressing.

> probably so we dont see how fast they are progressing. The problem is we don't know either way. They could be super advanced, or it could be that they are covering up shortcomings. It feeds into the bigger question of: why do this stuff? If it is to advance human knowledge the results should be shared. It the results aren't being shared it's an exercise in nationalism with limited significance. A similar situation…

What does it mean to 'share knowledge'?

Can I get a schematic for an US-based rocket turbopump?

Or the schematics of a spacecraft telemetry module?

Even if most of the stuff didn't wasn't sensitive in the national security sense, it would still constitute the IP of the companies who developed it.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

#347
post #329

Does anyone know to what extent China has advanced the state of the Soviet technology that they have (I assume) licensed? I have been to the Russian Star City training facility, Baikonur Cosmodrome and been in the full-size Mir training module and the Chinese station components look very similar. I am sure getting good information is difficult, but perhaps someone here has some more info.

Licensed Soviet technology? Copycatted is more likely from what I’ve seen having lived in China.

lol, name me any piece of art or technology and I'll let you know where it was copied from.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

#349

Last week I stood outside my apartment and watched Tiangong fly across the sky[0]. What an incredible time to be alive. [0] https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/

Very nice! If you don't mind, are you open to discussing your tech stack on that?

I am curious as to:

- What provides the 3D earth model

- What calculates the satellite trajectory and plots its arc

- What client side & server side frameworks you used for the web app itself

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

#350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, copying is what you are supposed to do with technology when you are competing from behind.

See: early space programme when the the US realised it was behind where Germany had been.

I wouldn't consider whispering German scientists away to the United States as copying, it seems more like theft.
Post reply on HN