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As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by deltasevennine »

holoduke wrote: post #241
deltasevennine wrote: post #239

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Have you seen what China has become in the past 2 decades? The technological growth and development is unlike anything ever seen in the history of mankind. Not only are you wrong. You are gravely wrong. The likelihood of China surpassing the US in the space race is actually quite high.

It's a technological shithole. Half their countries tech doesn't is not made based on proper rules and regulations. Resulting in poor performing and dangerous tech. The amount of accidents is astronomical and nobody seems to care. Most of their machines are direct copies of western equivalents. So no I am absolutely not impressed by their achievements.

You fail to see the magnitude of what occurred to china. Yes there's a market for cheap knock offs. But there's also the fact that how almost 90% of Americas manufacturing know-how has moved to china.

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Post by cycrutchfield »

daemoens wrote: post #97
dQw4w9WgXcQ wrote: post #48

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The USA requiring China to invent something on their own rather than Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V the USA's work is helping them grow up. It's a long-term win-win. We don't "blame" parents for asking their children to grow up into independent adults, nor should countries enable codependent behavior.

Ok, it doesn't change the fact that since 2011, Congress has forbid NASA from working with and Chinese government/organization without explicit approval from the FBI and Congress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Amendment

And why do you think they did that? Perhaps the aforementioned ctrl+c ctrl+v?

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Post by Ekaros »

deltasevennine wrote: post #261
holoduke wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a technological shithole. Half their countries tech doesn't is not made based on proper rules and regulations. Resulting in poor performing and dangerous tech. The amount of accidents is astronomical and nobody seems to care. Most of their machines are direct copies of western equivalents. So no I am absolutely not impressed by their achievements.

You fail to see the magnitude of what occurred to china. Yes there's a market for cheap knock offs. But there's also the fact that how almost 90% of Americas manufacturing know-how has moved to china.

Also that USA is happily buying and paying for this stuff. Tells you more about the buyer than the seller. And which one is the smart one.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by dr_dshiv »

adrian_b wrote: post #250
jonnybgood wrote: post #235

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It's a little more nuanced than being a traitor to science given China's strategy in regards to acquisition of scientific research and technology. China doesn't collaborate, it just takes until it reaches scientific and technological parity. Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China.

It would be interesting to see some concrete examples of what is claimed in "Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China." Whenever I search recent research articles about any topic, I see a very large number that are published by China, and which are freely available. The quality of the Chinese research is quite uneven, there are many papers that are just g…

Honestly, copying is what you are supposed to do with technology when you are competing from behind.

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Post by dr_dshiv »

lovich wrote: post #223
tunesmith wrote: post #167

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"sanction" is one of the dumbest words on earth. "to give official approval" vs "impose a penalty".

There’s a few other self antonyms just in English. “Cleave” immediately comes to mind

Inflammable?

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Post by kragen »

bpodgursky wrote: post #138
Jayab wrote: post #113

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So then maybe a little late to sanction their tech to keep them from being peer competitors.

Eh, unclear. Nobody was trying to stop China from building space stations. The goal was to limit jet and ICBM tech.

What do you think the difference is between an ICBM and a LEO launch vehicle like the Long March 5B described in the article?

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Post by hoseja »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #247
jonnybgood wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a little more nuanced than being a traitor to science given China's strategy in regards to acquisition of scientific research and technology. China doesn't collaborate, it just takes until it reaches scientific and technological parity. Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China.

> Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China I'd like to see sources backing up this claim. Huawei for example has 5G patents and research centers outside China. Hualong-1 nuclear plants are exported abroad. Seeing that China is big on business and making money, it makes no sense to keep technology for yourself. There's so much money to be made by selling t…

1. backdoored surveillance

2. belt and road

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by throwaway4good »

russli1993 wrote: post #112
diskzero wrote: post #34

Does anyone know to what extent China has advanced the state of the Soviet technology that they have (I assume) licensed? I have been to the Russian Star City training facility, Baikonur Cosmodrome and been in the full-size Mir training module and the Chinese station components look very similar. I am sure getting good information is difficult, but perhaps someone here has some more info.

Some of the features I know from the Chinese space station - Solar panels smaller in area than ISS but produces similar amount of power, indicating much more efficient solar panels - Ion thrusters to keep space in orbit - Automated docking of cargo and crew capsule. Semi-automated docking of large station components like the 23ton labs - A robotic arm similar to ISS that walk along the joint points on the station. It…

Just imagine all that effort and resources being spent on the International Space Station instead. I wonder were we, the combined humanity, could have been in terms of space exploration, if we just could have been bothered to work together.

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Post by qwezxcrty »

DocTomoe wrote: post #259
m4jor wrote: post #169

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Sanctions do not matter to China. They will just have their nation state backed hackers hack into aerospace and defense contractors and steal their R&D instead. Thats the Chinese way and MO. Anything to further the Chinese economy. They have hacked nearly every F100 they needed to and steal hundreds of billions in IP annually already. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_intellectual_pr... - https://www.cnb…

You make it sound like that was a distinct Chinese tactic and not every country on earth, foremost one that abbreviates itself to three letters, is engaged doing industrial espionage.

For example, reported here

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32834502

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by throwaway4good »

diskzero wrote: post #146
russli1993 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the features I know from the Chinese space station - Solar panels smaller in area than ISS but produces similar amount of power, indicating much more efficient solar panels - Ion thrusters to keep space in orbit - Automated docking of cargo and crew capsule. Semi-automated docking of large station components like the 23ton labs - A robotic arm similar to ISS that walk along the joint points on the station. It…

Thanks for the super informative reply. I am hoping as there is more activity on the space station, that more information will be coming out. It would be nice to be able to see something similar to the ESA, NASA and even Roscosmos launch feeds and Q&A sessions.

Plenty coverage exists in Chinese from children shows to academia, and you can also show up on Hainan island to watch a launch.

However it doesn’t get much coverage in western media beyond a Cold War / environmental risk angle.

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