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He doesn't have any duties to debt investors beyond what's explicitly in a contract with them. If he has equity co-investors (which he was certainly attempting to syndicate at one point) then those are indeed shareholders (private rather than public, but still shareholders) and he'll have duties to them.

On the contrary, LBO debt investors typically have clauses to be able to convert their debt to equity and basically force liquidation/sale etc to recover the money they put in if their debt is defaulted on. The 13 billion in loans are secured not complete junk. Of course if cash flows become too low to service the debt (I.e. default), musk can always inject[1] more capital and keep the debt serviced he can afford to…

None of that contradicts what I said. Yes, there may be various terms that take effect if he defaults on the debt and some of them may cause him to take on fiduciary obligations (although I find it hard to imagine converting to equity would be desirable in that case - normally in that scenario the equity is getting zeroed). But he has no such obligations unless and until he's getting close to default.

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Twitter is basically an internet scale public bathroom wall with everyone scrawling short hot takes onto the walls. The best case scenario has always been that it shut down and I hope we are one day closer to that eventuality. It is ironic and laughable that Elons post to advertisers is done with screenshots of text. After 20+ years of mainstream networked computing this is what passes as a state of art platform and…

What's wrong with screenshots of text? They're easily readable. The white background makes things stand out more than just posting text on stock Twitter. It's one reason Insta story posts and even slides have text. Technological progress doesn't mean making user-hostile design. If users like a format or medium, you can offer it to them even if your platform is capable of greater things.

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Why not? In my country, these opinions are uttered so openly and commonly that it does not even raise an eyebrow. Infact these are cherished religious beliefs, even. Yet, there are viewpoints that would be considered so utterly innocent in the west as to be as unnoticeable as punctuation, that have led to actual mob violence and lynchings, and I am talking this decade, not some old era bygones. Such speech is conside…

> In my country, these opinions are uttered so openly and commonly that it does not even raise an eyebrow I don't think we should frame free speech standards based on Pakistan, if your bio is correct.

Isn't that the point they're making? Not that the specific utterances matter but that the freedom to utter them matters, any or all of them, your blasphemies and mine. Then we can try to have a grown up conversation about it because we've taken oppression/suppression and hence violence off the table.

Real progress can then be made.

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What's wrong with screenshots of text? They're easily readable. The white background makes things stand out more than just posting text on stock Twitter. It's one reason Insta story posts and even slides have text. Technological progress doesn't mean making user-hostile design. If users like a format or medium, you can offer it to them even if your platform is capable of greater things.

Mostly the fact that they completely ignore accessibility. In fact, if Twitter did want to improve the user experience, automatic OCR of such text and generation of the corresponding alt tag would be a practical improvement. In fact, general recognition of the content of an image and auto generation of an ALT tag would be a significant improvement. ... But that require them to do actual machine learning as opposed to…

OCR is a solved problem. It's like one call to tesseract and you're done.

The fact they haven't done this just shows how inept their employees are.

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This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

Don't forget he's super anti-remote-work which is going to scare a way a good 30% of the employees anyway

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post #764

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Twitter is basically an internet scale public bathroom wall with everyone scrawling short hot takes onto the walls. The best case scenario has always been that it shut down and I hope we are one day closer to that eventuality. It is ironic and laughable that Elons post to advertisers is done with screenshots of text. After 20+ years of mainstream networked computing this is what passes as a state of art platform and…

What's wrong with screenshots of text? They're easily readable. The white background makes things stand out more than just posting text on stock Twitter. It's one reason Insta story posts and even slides have text. Technological progress doesn't mean making user-hostile design. If users like a format or medium, you can offer it to them even if your platform is capable of greater things.

> Technological progress doesn't mean making user-hostile design

Ok I want to copy paste one of the sentences he said to send to my friend but not the whole message. Oh wait

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No, because those aren't even remotely similar things. It wouldn't be a "hate crime" to call a Catholic a Protestant, or a Gay person a Straight person or a Black person a white person. It would be a hateful to deny them rights or to call for abuse. In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. However, If I called a non-trans woman a man or a non-trans…

What do you think is the fundamental joke the article is making? The only joke I see is "a trans person exists". The article isn't about her policies, her performance in her job, or even complexities in our evolving definition of either sex or gender like you are implying. The joke is that this person is trans. The message of that joke is the existence of a trans person in public is worthy of mockery. Therefore the o…

No court in the USA would confuse mockery, or in this case satire, with harrassment. Obviously it’s very different in places like England.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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I would imagine a uniform distribution of people from across racial, political, age, and socio-economic classes would be a good start. The theory is that if a moderation council is mostly well-off, white liberals, then their decisions will more likely contain bias from those sorts of people. A moderation council needs people of various ages, races, and political backgrounds so that the net bias in their decisions is…

We have arrived at the peak of capitalism where corporations are as powerful as governments

I think they've been more powerful for decades now...

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> In the real world, sure. Can you point at one? A council with "widely diverse viewpoints" that is actually an effective, tie-braking decision maker?

Judge panels (like SCOTUS), county boards, city councils, school boards, non-profit boards and councils, corporate boards.

I am not super familiar with US judicial bodies and what their mandate actually entails, but, in general, what judges do fundamentally revolves around interpreting laws and/or constitutions.

Twitter does, of course, also have to comply with law. In regards to this council we are however specifically focusing on an area, that is not already decided by law. Coming up with a decision in a "wildly diverse group" without the need to argue along law (because that is not what your mandate asks for), is a very, very different setup.

I feel the other examples are problematic for other reasons, i.e. "city councils": In the EU people get elected into these positions and no one mechanism will be placed for them to have "wildly different viewpoints". They get elected to get something done, which will then revolve around making compromises, or just not being involved in the process.

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Free speech does not mean everyone deserves a soap box. Nobody has the inherit right for their views to be publicized by a private company. Try forcing your way in front of a camera at your nearest news station and see how that works out for you.

but that's absolutely the wrong example, to take your analogy, YOU are the news station, YOU are the content generator, and Twitter is perhaps like.... the cable company? Twitter isn't providing you and a platform for free; it sells ads alongside it. And if its moderation is too strict, then it's not an effective platform. which goes to my original question, strict according to whom?

Nope. News stations don't generate content, they report it. If you think YOU are the news station because you generate content you're watching too much Fox News.
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