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Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by cr4nberry »

deanCommie wrote: post #18

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> The word "Diverse" has been successfully appropriated and destroyed by the right.

I don't think one political coalition has a monopoly over the words it uses

Looking at college campuses, I see a lack of diversity of perspective

Looking at executive boards, I see a lack of ethnic diversity (and also diversity of perspective)

> So anyone that is celebrating this Musk announcement is telling on themselves

Just like how anyone who's upset about it is upset that they have less space to shove their insipid beliefs down the throats of others. Maybe reddit is a better choice for them?

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by hedora »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #93
PaulsWallet wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Internet would have us believe that civil war is imminent. The person who could arguably be considered the third most powerful politician in the US just had their own broken into and their spouse assaulted in a suspected act of domestic terrorism. I wouldn't say "imminent" but if you don't think the possibility is at least somewhere on the table I would consider that being naive.

I really don't think there's a straight line from this kind of lone-wolf domestic terrorism to civil war. A civil war happens when people who aren't mentally unstable, normal people just like you and I, decide that suchandsuch political objective is so important that our fellow citizens have to be shot in order to achieve it. If that seems like a crazy idea to you (it certianly does to me!) then a civil war isn't yet…

It's not lone wolf terrorism though, it's an organized + well funded movement to end US democracy. They control a bit over 50% of the Republican party, and a growing percentage of the courts (including the supreme court).

Heck; Biden is would be considered right wing in most developing countries, and here's his take:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/20...

> Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.

Now, I want to be very clear — (applause) — very clear up front: Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology.

I know because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans.

But there is no question that the Republican Party today is dominated, driven, and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans, and that is a threat to this country.

These are hard things.

But I’m an American President — not the President of red America or blue America, but of all America.

And I believe it is my duty — my duty to level with you, to tell the truth no matter how difficult, no matter how painful.

And here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people.

They refuse to accept the results of a free election. And they’re working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.

(Sept 1, 2022)

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by fasthands9 »

jszymborski wrote: post #25
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

A bunch of accounts like The Babylon Bee and Ye have been unbanned w/o input from any such committee of diverse viewpoints. I don't have much faith that Musk will not act unilaterally in service of his friends and allies.

I think one reasonable policy could be "form a council of diverse viewpoints and only ban someone if they all (or mostly all) agree the person should be kicked off" and another reasonable policy could be "form a council fo diverse viewpoints and ban someone if one (or a couple) think the person should be kicked off.

I think its fair to say the committee will end up being a scapegoat - but to be charitable to the idea in general its pretty clear that not 100% or even 75% of the population thinks that Babylon Bee should be banned. If you have a system where one voice on the committee can ban someone then most liberal comedians would be banned for played up reasons, too.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by naasking »

lapcat wrote: post #2

Delay decisions, set up a committee... wow, that was fast, he's already becoming Jack. [EDIT:] The problem is that a "council with widely diverse viewpoints" is not going to come to consensus on moderation. They're inevitably going to disagree, just like in politics. So then what? How is lack of consensus not the inevitable outcome of a widely diverse committee?

You vote. Have an odd number of voters, and either majority or plurality gets their way.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by jonathankoren »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #121
estebarb wrote: post #106

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If there aren't any flat earthers on the council, it's a sham.

"I believe nicotine is not addictive." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6B1q22R438

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by ryzvonusef »

pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

Why not? In my country, these opinions are uttered so openly and commonly that it does not even raise an eyebrow. Infact these are cherished religious beliefs, even.

Yet, there are viewpoints that would be considered so utterly innocent in the west as to be as unnoticeable as punctuation, that have led to actual mob violence and lynchings, and I am talking this decade, not some old era bygones.

Such speech is considered equivalent to yelling "Fire" in an open theater, to use a common internet retort on free speech, because of the effect it has on the masses, and we have laws on blasphemy specifically for this.

You would think, oh surely I would never say anything offensive to any group, but for Funzies, have a scroll here: https://twitter.com/search?q=blasphemy%20(from%3ASAMRIReport...

So, whose blasphemies are considered sacred, mine or yours?

Be careful when asking for diversity. You might get it.

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Americans do seem to take free speech for granted.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by dpflan »

This cross-post seems pretty relevant to have here given the amount of discussion about this whole acquisition -- one of the key points in the submitted article is that "content moderation is the product":

- HN Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33371297

- Submitted article: https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitt...

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by lern_too_spel »

pjkundert wrote: post #49
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

It will be, if Elon implements effective agent-based clustering, such as with K-Means Clustering. "Solving" content moderation is a losing battle -- there is no way to humanly moderate anything at the rate it can be produced, and Elon knows this. It's insane, so he probably won't do it. But, allowing content to be produced, but making sure no real person ever sees it, until the content producer earns their way into "…

If anything is clear from the texts that came up during discovery, it's that Elon Musk hasn't thought anything through with this deal.

Long Covid brain fog? Marijuana-induced schizophrenia? Has he just been stupid and lucky all along? I haven't spent enough time thinking about this to figure out why.

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