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Were they? I know I can see their pages, but I don't see any new content from them. realdonaldtrump is still suspended, I imagine we'll just have to wait to see what happens.

Many of the “unbanned” accounts weren’t banned before and that didn’t change. They were in Twitter jail (or whatever the term is). The account is there but they couldn’t publish new tweets. That’s the change to watch for. He could unban Trump, say he kept his promise, but keep the account locked so that Trump couldn’t actually tweet. As a hypothetical example.

It's called a temporary suspension. Twitter asks you to acknowledge your tweet was bad by deleting it yourself. If you do, you get a time-out in the naughty corner for 12 hours, or a week, or whatever, and then you can tweet again. If you don't, you stay in the naughty corner. Whoever designed this process could stand to learn how to treat people like adults, in my opinion.

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It would be amazing if a council with diverse viewpoints could even sit together without killing each other in this day and age. Does this exist anywhere?

Yes, this is how social interaction in the real world, or even smaller online communities, has worked for ages. It's only on pseudonymous mega-sites like Twitter, Reddit and HN where jumping down people's throats for having an opposing viewpoint is even a thing.

No it isn't. Small online communities are generally run as a dictatorship. If you disagree with the mods, well screw you.

In the real world it's a bit more nuanced because people care more about conflict in the real world. But even so there's usually a core group of people with similar beliefs and outsiders are pushed away.

In the corporate world conflicting viewpoints in e.g. religion or politics are generally dealt with by making talking about them taboo or explicitly banning it.

When you don't do that you get the mess that Google has found itself in several times recently where someone makes some comment that the majority disagree with (positive discrimination is bad, AI is sentient, etc) and other employees call for them to be fired.

I can't think of many groups that actually manage to get people with opposing viewpoints to get on with each other without just banning talking about them. Universities maybe. The army perhaps?

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

Based upon his build up, this will be a fig leaf/scapegoat . I don't see anything in his behaviour which would justify your "optimistic" outlook. Sure it won't degenerate in one of those gutter platforms right away but I doubt he'll be able to maintain an acceptable level as long as he's directly involved. He just doesn't make the the impression of an adult person. imho this may end up being really good for the rest…

This might be true, in which case maybe he brings jack nack or another executive in? I think jack expressed he wasn’t interested.

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So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

Do you not see how that same type of hate is already directed at white people? Sanity has lost if you have to be some sort of "crazy right winger" to see the blatant hate and racism directed at white people.

I'm writing this from a country that currently has a giant nationwide chain store that has a public "No Whites, Blacks Only" hiring policy.

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This is the most important worry. Populism from the far right has adopted a strategy of re-defining key terms such as nation, citizen, fairness, representation. Under these conditions, a highly diverse council will either not be able to decide or will need to decide in favor of maximum leniency. By the way, Adam Curtis made this point in his documentary "HyperNormalisation", where he argued that Trump had hijacked "f…

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Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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The clustering responds to which tweets are up- and down-voted by the agent. And, the agent is moved closer to the clusters they like tweets from, and further from the clusters they dislike tweets from. The more diverse your likes (likes tweets in many other clusters), the broader and less restrictive your cluster weighting is -- the more variety you see. The more restrictive your selection, the less variety. You dec…

How does this work with things like "ratio-ing" or "dunking" or libsoftiktok that intentionally take clusters of media from one group and shoving it into their group explicitly to hate them?

I'm not sure that shaking your head and laughing at someone's crazy-talk is "hating" them... Perhaps that's part of the problem.

If you don't want people chuckling at you, don't talk crazy.

If you really, really get annoyed at something and mash the downvote button, it'll eventually go away, and you'll be left in your warm, cozy bubble.

Everyone wins!

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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post #55

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Yes, this is how social interaction in the real world, or even smaller online communities, has worked for ages. It's only on pseudonymous mega-sites like Twitter, Reddit and HN where jumping down people's throats for having an opposing viewpoint is even a thing.

the hypothesis that attaching real names to posts improves civility is over ten years out of date

"With real names" is not the same as "in the real world."

There is a massive difference between me seeing a stranger's real name next to a Facebook post about how abortion is evil, and me having a conversation with a good friend of 10 years, or my mom, and it comes up that they're pro-life.

We might have a long debate, but in the end, they're still my friend or family.

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