I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…
I've loved ubuntu for a while as well, but snaps are making me want something new - any suggestions for a "I'm middle aged with children so I need an it just works distro"?
Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
#342I'm not sure precisely why, but when I first saw ads in Apt(8) I decided I wouldn't be using Ubuntu for any more personal projects. On one hand they obviously need to keep the project alive. On the other hand, putting your own ads on top of something that fundamental to the system just felt ... weird/narsty? Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done Try Ubuntu Pro beta with a free personal subscri…
Jump to Debian. It has always worked towards users' interests, and probably will continue doing that because pretty much all developers are volunteers and are running a democratically driven development process. I never understood why Ubuntu is so popular because it's 99.99% Debian, and only gives you a handful of things on top of that: predictable release schedule (which is a two-edged sword if you think about it),…
Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same, but I went with Debian as I wanted to stay in the .deb world.
Let me start by saying Debian rolling release is the truth. That being said, I worry about the archaic community and contributor-tooling behind debian to be a barrier that will lead to its demise though. Makes me sad, but it is what it is. We are all getting old, and to us this interface looks normal, but to new people and those making the apps that the kids depend on, it looks like a shitshow of antiquated code. Nob…
Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
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I second this. I understand how hard it may be to maintain software these days, and that’s the whole point of snap, but the way it is implemented seems broken. It can simply break the whole system, it is like it uses one huge semaphore for all ‘transactions’ it commits in the ‘snap database’ (whatever it is) and if the transaction doesn’t complete, the whole system stalls. Only recourse is reboot. Don’t get me wrong,…
> I understand how hard it may be to maintain software these days ...* I can't see it being harder than during the forming years with ever-changing libs and tools. Haven't seen a new end-user desktop app on Linux for over a decade either.
Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
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The letsencrypt certbot package has been a snap for a long time. It's their recommended choice even on Debian https://certbot.eff.org/
Its a good opportunity to switch out certbot for something else, there are some great alternative options on github
Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
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I think that they are looking for a way to make money. A snap app store managed by them could be a source of cash. I'm still on 20.04 and maybe I'll switch to Debian or PopOS. I need to find the time to experiment. I'll buy a second SSD and dual boot.
With open source apps though? My guess is the idea of a store is a commonly known UX (App store, Play store.) And the snaps give you a way of installing more updated versions of software than the package repos provide.
Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, the recent change [0] was to add non-free firmware to the official installer (instead of relegating it to a separate unofficial installer). GP, however, was talking about the apt repository: the non-free apt repository is disabled by default. This hasn't changed and is unlikely to ever change. The non-free apt repository be enabled via a trivial /etc/apt/sources.list edit. [0]: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debia…
So that means you can end up installing some non-free firmware, potentially buggy/broken, and get zero updates for it without manual intervention? I don't think I would have expected that. Is it such a leap to now also enable the non-free repo by default? Seems like an inconsistent position to an outsider (user).
The alternative is that they don't install any firmware, your installation is broken or crippled, on another computer you search desperately for the correct firmware, which when you find it (on some byzantine and bitrotted manufacturers' website) has some impenetrable process that only works on Windows to install, is often buggy and broken, and there's never been an official update. If you need to manually intervene you might as well reinstall the OS because you didn't take any notes on how you did it last time, the manufacturers website has disappeared, and you're downloading the updated driver that might fix the bug from all-the-drivers.disco or a Discord server run by H4r&dw3r3-wiz4r&d88 who was probably not born in 1988.
For me, there's a huge leap from installing drivers that you're necessarily going to install anyway (because you're installing on the box that has the hardware) to adding optional stuff in. As long as it doesn't install the drivers silently, but installs them loudly. I'd love to even see a EULA pop up that indemnifies Debian from problems stemming from the nonfree drivers, to provide the appropriate level of intimidation and aversion. I would also request exclamation points, possibly a bright red or yellow color, maybe a blink.
I wouldn't be entirely against exclamation points, bright red or yellow, and blinking, for enabling nonfree repos, but there isn't exactly a high bar to jump over currently. The bar seems exactly high enough to keep everybody from complaining for very long.
Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
#348- The login page (gdm3) does not detect when I touch the touchpad. I need to press it hardly to get a click. I read somewhere that it is a feature for tablet-like devices.
- For some unknown reason, gdm3 is listening for click events. As a result, I cannot use my touchpad in i3. The only fix I've found is to install Xubuntu. So I end up installing Ubuntu, i3, and Xubuntu in that order. The login page of Xubuntu (lightdm) does not mess with the touchpad in i3. You can say, just install lightdm alone. However, that does not work, though.
- Regarding snaps, my only complaint is the file dialogs of Firefox (file chooser, save as...) in i3. Again, some process is capturing events. Every time I want to type a file name when saving a file, the dialog instead trigger the autocomplete menu. So instead of typing the name for saving the file, the dialog shows me file matches. Very annoying. That only happens in i3.
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Does System76 have a sustainable business? My concern would be putting time invested into their tech, then later finding support gone wrong.
They seem to. They sell computers (with Ubuntu or Pop!_OS). I'm at least the 2nd one to get one at my work (that I know of). They're not "cheap", and if you know what they are and what you are doing you could just buy a similar model for a bit less and install linux on that.(they're rebadged clevos, I've replaced a fan on one..) But if you buy from them it comes with linux pre-installed (yeah!) which saves time and s…
https://clevo-computer.com/en/ https://system76.com/about
Wonder how the hardware supply chain works?
Aside: For a little over $1200, you can get a "desktop" with ECC RAM. And not have to assemble and test it yourself. Sweet.
Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu
#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
So that means you can end up installing some non-free firmware, potentially buggy/broken, and get zero updates for it without manual intervention? I don't think I would have expected that. Is it such a leap to now also enable the non-free repo by default? Seems like an inconsistent position to an outsider (user).
> So that means you can end up installing some non-free firmware, potentially buggy/broken, and get zero updates for it without manual intervention? The alternative is that they don't install any firmware, your installation is broken or crippled, on another computer you search desperately for the correct firmware, which when you find it (on some byzantine and bitrotted manufacturers' website) has some impenetrable pr…
The alternative to not install required non-free firmware is not an option we need to go back to.