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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by 6c696e7578 »

mike256 wrote: post #110
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I switched to Debian. Still able to use most of the debs but without those Snaps.

Debian for everything.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by PenguinCoder »

hellcow wrote: post #132
binwiederhier wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been on Ubuntu 22.04 for a few weeks now, and every now and then Firefox will create a popup notification that says "Firefox needs to be closed to update (12 days left)". When I close it and re-open, Firefox is still not updated. Even when I go to the Software Center and update all apps, it apparently doesn't update snaps. I'm not entirely sure if Firefox is updateable via the UI. It's truly awful; and that's co…

Yup, you need to shutdown firefox, open a terminal, run ‘sudo snap refresh’, wait for it to complete, then re-open firefox. Agreed that the process sucks :)

Does running a standard `apt update/upgrade` update the snap packages, even it they're in use?

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by Mikeb85 »

xtracto wrote: post #67
ss108 wrote: post #40

"It also includes the latest toolchains and applications with a particular focus on the IoT ecosystem." Dude, the OS can't even handle two monitors half the time...

It's 2022 and you got to go through crazy hoops and loops [1] to use an Nvidia card and an Intel integrated graphics chip in a dual monitor setup. And it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if you are using Nvidia drivers. Also, I recently tried to configure "touchpad gestures" (3 and 4 finger swipes) and man it was super painful (one method doesn't work (touchegg), the other is archaic and you have to restart the OS to change any s…

> It's 2022 and you got to go through crazy hoops and loops [1] to use an Nvidia card and an Intel integrated graphics chip in a dual monitor setup. And it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if you are using Nvidia drivers.

Sounds like an Nvidia problem... In the last decade I've had Intel and AMD laptops, both with integrated graphics, Linux has handled dual monitors just fine for all this time...

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by francislavoie »

everybodyknows wrote: post #80
CoastalCoder wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe I should give Pop OS a try... I'm a big fan: it's like Ubuntu, but with much of Canonical's divisive changes reverted, and with a few other improvements. I switched from Ubuntu to Pop!_OS a few releases back when I got a System76 computer. (I also use it on my Lenovo laptop.)

Does System76 have a sustainable business? My concern would be putting time invested into their tech, then later finding support gone wrong.

They're a 17 year old company. I think they're pretty stable.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by 6c696e7578 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #53
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

After 15 years switched to Mint Cinnamon, it's quite nice now. It is easier than ubuntu because removing snap is no longer a task. Next up need an alternative to Firefox, it's very disapointing how much has to be configured to turn off all the bullshit analytics, "colorways?", and get a blank new tab page.

I don't think there'll be a good alternative until Firefox isn't the alternative to Chrome.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by theamk »

eptcyka wrote: post #120
compsciphd wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news. Except, snap can't update applications while they are running! i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it,…

> one of the primary points of containerization is the ability to have multiple copies of an application running in parallel using different "application images". One should be able to upgrade (i.e. install a new image in parallel to the old one) without disrupting existing execution environments. Would you like to run a completely new Firefox with a completely new profile whenever you update it? You do know that you…

literally the first point of parent post was:

> if a container is running for the current user, execute firefox in its context

So there is no need for snap to fancy serialization, just have new and old firefox ready, and keep using old one while it has running processeses. And if the old one exits for any reason, start new one instead.

That's all snap has to do! But it does not, because it really likes to make strange texhnical decisions for some reason.

(For "coordination", snap could make a common file in old app dir like "bin/new_version_availablec, and if firefox detects it, it shows that "your browser needs to be updated" button. I would not be surprised if something like this already exists in firefox. But I doubt snap would use this approach because it is not complex enough for it :) )

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by bigmattystyles »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I think I was bit by snap (Firefox refusing to start) - I just don't have the mental energy to learn what snap is and why I can't or shouldn't just use apt-get like I always have. Or do I have to use both now? (edit: if you want to quickly answer great, but I'm really putting my frustrations into words)

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by ctoth »

I'm not sure precisely why, but when I first saw ads in Apt(8) I decided I wouldn't be using Ubuntu for any more personal projects. On one hand they obviously need to keep the project alive. On the other hand, putting your own ads on top of something that fundamental to the system just felt ... weird/narsty?

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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by remram »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I always uninstall snapd first thing, as well as GNOME (I use KDE but the Kubuntu 22.04 installer crashes if using full-disk encryption). Apart from Firefox, for which I had to enable the Mozilla PPA, I haven't really run into anything where I was required to use snap.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by int_19h »

umvi wrote: post #106
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I use OpenSUSE Tumbleweed which is also rolling release, and the one thing that bugs me is that sometimes your tools are so cutting edge that it makes it hard to get older stuff. For example it's super easy to get python 3.10 working in Tumbleweed but super hard to get python 3.6 working. I needed specifically Python 3.6 to test something, and man that was hard to get working in Tumbleweed. First of all, it is not av…

That's exactly the kind of stuff that https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv is meant to handle.
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