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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by wooque »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I don't why people make so much fuss about snap. Just purge snap and stop complaining.

I did this when I run Ubuntu.

Ubuntu still is offers pretty polished and reliable OS that is easy to install and has most third-party support.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by noasaservice »

Because this matters: https://haydenjames.io/remove-snap-ubuntu-22-04-lts/

I've been getting "Firefox is updating in $time days" as a unstoppable notification, because snap uses highest priority to jam notifications through.

The best is to purge snap completely from the system. And the URL applies to 22.04, but likely also works mostly the same, with possibly more "snap list" crap to remove.

If I could properly administrate snap, and if it followed my settings, I'd use it. But it doesn't provide for ANY sort of reasonable administration nor respectable defaults. So it gets the axe.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by noasaservice »

compsciphd wrote: post #45
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news. Except, snap can't update applications while they are running! i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it,…

> I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news.

> Except, snap can't update applications while they are running!

What's worse is the unblockable notifications.

And I just de-snapped my xubuntu 22.04 , and doing so upgraded firefox-snap v113 to their repo v116 ! I mean, I thought the purpose was fully updated. Evidently not.

Snap needs to die in a fire.

https://haydenjames.io/remove-snap-ubuntu-22-04-lts/

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by rubyist5eva »

aliqot wrote: post #18
rubyist5eva wrote: post #7

of course the only comments so far are people complaining that Ubuntu sucks and their $PREFERRED_DISTRO is better I for one think Steam as a snap is a great idea, and was pleasantly surprised with them taking the feedback about the Firefox snap to heart and actually putting in the work to speed it up. I was gonna install 22.04.1 tonight (finally got fedup with Windows) but I'm gonna try this tonight instead and defin…

>less I need to boot into Windows to play PC games the better. Hard to give up smoking with a pack in your pocket.

not gonna get an argument from me there, but I have over 1000 steam games

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

smashed wrote: post #31
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

My first encounter with snaps was launching gcalc, the basic built-in calculator app. At some point after an update, launching that app would take multiple seconds. How could the most basic gtk app be so slow to launch. Investigating further, I found the update had transformed the normal gcalc package into a snap, probably just to prove how great snaps could be for desktop apps? What a bad way to introduce your lates…

That was also my first introduction to snap. Spent a while trying to figure out why the calc app was so slow all of a sudden. Switched to popos eventually.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by rubyist5eva »

lostdog wrote: post #48
gibspaulding wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I liked the idea of snaps as something like the AUR. Basically a straightforward way to get un-trusted/closed source software installed without giving some random installer root on my system. Apps like Steam, Spotify, Discord, maybe even Chrome make a lot of sense since they don't really fit into a traditional open source distribution model, but I wish they'd stick with apt for anything open source.

Flatpack already existing, and snap makes programs take 30x as long to run.

can you use Flatpack for command line apps yet?

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

#87

Post by timemct »

pantalaimon wrote: post #52
krn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch took me a lot more work to get set up but once it was it's been pretty invisible, which is how I like my OS to be. I think that Fedora Workstation[1] is a #1 alternative to Ubuntu in terms of smoothness and ease of use. And if .deb is a requirement – then simply Debian. [1] https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/

eh Fedora requires many additional steps to get hardware accelerated video decoding or proprietary drivers working. With Ubuntu it's all out of the box.

Nobara Project[1] helps with this. It is somewhat gaming-on-linux focused, but for some, like myself, that's a win. I use it on both my desktop (Intel CPU, AMD GPU) and my Thinkpad T480: works great on both.

[1] https://nobaraproject.org

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by psanford »

wooque wrote: post #81
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I don't why people make so much fuss about snap. Just purge snap and stop complaining. I did this when I run Ubuntu. Ubuntu still is offers pretty polished and reliable OS that is easy to install and has most third-party support.

Because more and more things are only packaged as snaps.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by zekrioca »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I second this. I understand how hard it may be to maintain software these days, and that’s the whole point of snap, but the way it is implemented seems broken. It can simply break the whole system, it is like it uses one huge semaphore for all ‘transactions’ it commits in the ‘snap database’ (whatever it is) and if the transaction doesn’t complete, the whole system stalls. Only recourse is reboot.

Don’t get me wrong, snap is like a great conceptual ideal, but it seems to work only for Ubuntu/Canonical developers (or to people with access to them), no one else. It is not well programmed/thought for some reason. Pretty stupid issues, and the read-only fs thing is also weird, how can one test things On-The-Go?

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by mixmastamyk »

ss108 wrote: post #77
pantalaimon wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running 4 monitors without any issue…

My cofounder is as well, on Xubuntu. Meanwhile, I've had multiple issues getting just 2 to work across years of using Ubuntu (there was a good few year span when I didn't have to fiddle with anything and it did just work). Recently, I had a second monitor running with my Ubuntu installation, but one day the monitor stopped working, and the next I couldn't build JS projects without running the command as root (?!). Sw…

Run a build command once with sudo and you'll always have to. Until you fix it with chown.

Hardware makes a difference as well as distribution, try live drives until one works well.

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