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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by neltnerb »

binwiederhier wrote: post #115
compsciphd wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news. Except, snap can't update applications while they are running! i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it,…

I've been on Ubuntu 22.04 for a few weeks now, and every now and then Firefox will create a popup notification that says "Firefox needs to be closed to update (12 days left)". When I close it and re-open, Firefox is still not updated. Even when I go to the Software Center and update all apps, it apparently doesn't update snaps. I'm not entirely sure if Firefox is updateable via the UI. It's truly awful; and that's co…

Oh god, I have yet to figure out what it even wants. I assume it is asking me to close firefox to run an update, but I do and nothing is run. And apt upgrade doesn't somehow catch it?

It's amazing that they're managing to make it so confusing that someone who wrote .xsession files can no longer understand it without doing a bunch of research. This shouldn't be tricky... that message, in particular, is absurd. Why would you show that and then not have a button that says "update"?

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by Enzime »

nrabulinski wrote: post #96
lvass wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you just want to install packages, nix-env is really simple.

Which, in my opinion, completely defeats the whole purpose of using NixOS. The last thing I want is a bunch of ad-hoc changes to my reproducible environment setup

I think there's still benefit in using Nix for imperative package management, as the packages are isolated. This means you don't need to clutter your global environment with the dependencies of your programs.

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Post by seabrookmx »

alwaysanon wrote: post #266

I am a long-time Ubuntu user who switched from Ubuntu 22.04 to Fedora 36 because I have a 12th gen Intel CPU and read that the newer kernels it offers supported the P/E cores better. I have to say that I am very impressed with Fedora. Defaults to nice Noto fonts, everything feels cleaner/snappier, no snaps, and the only downside was I had to follow these instructions to get the NVIDIA drivers - which wasn't that bad.…

I did the exact same thing (i5-1240p in a Framework laptop).

A few of the recent kernels borked my graphics (integrated), so I stuck on 5.19.8 for a bit. The latest kernel seems good again now though.

I find the vanilla gnome setup in Fedora a bit more polished as well. I install dash-to-dock via the new Extension Manager app and I'm good to go.

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Post by nrclark »

talideon wrote: post #271
theamk wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is snap enough of improvent over deb to replace it? Sometimes yes. Is snap enough of improvement of Flakpak to ignore community standard and deal witb all the user hostile craziness like non-removable updater? No way. I hope it goes the way of the Mir and upstart - replaced with a competitor and silently removed.

Upstart predates systemd by four years. It solved real problems at the time and they kept it going until Debian transitioned to systemd. Unlike systemd, upstart supported sysvinit scripts, so it made sense to transition when Debian did. Bringing that up is maybe not the best example you could choose to bash them with.

Fwiw, systemd actually supports sysvinit scripts pretty well. You can mix and match, and write unit files that depend on init scripts or vice versa. And you can manage them all with systemctl.

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Post by tetris11 »

jrsj wrote: post #62
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I’ve been using EndeavourOS lately. It’s less of a distinct distro and more a really convenient Arch installer to get to a usable system quickly. And without all the extra BS of Manjaro — once you’ve installed it, you’re basically just running Arch. It installs packages directly from Arch, etc.

Arch has an official installer now too. Never been easier.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by reassembled »

fulafel wrote: post #63

The regular as clockwork bi-yearly releases are one of the best things about Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the default supported Linux laptop/desktop env in so many tech orgs. If you use Ubuntu and want to help ensure it works for your env remember to test the upcoming release alphas / betas eg with USB boot stick and file bugs on Launchpad if you notice something broken. (Same goes for other distros your org may use, eg Debian,…

I recently switched from Ubuntu to Fedora 36. I think most general Ubuntu users would be able to make the switch with minimal issues. Obviously Fedora uses the yum/dnf package manager and RPM files instead of Deb packages.

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Post by Barrin92 »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #308
Karupan wrote: post #235

Regardless of all the (rightful?) hate towards Ubuntu recently, it’s worked great for me. Just last week I had a spare Microsoft surface laptop 1 and wanted to setup a headless server since Raspberry Pi’s are ridiculously priced. Ubuntu 20.04 worked flawlessly out of the box whereas the Debian installer couldn’t detect the laptop keyboard and I couldn’t complete installation (just one USB port). Also it’s just so muc…

I'm so tired of seeing people say that there's "hate" toward something simply because people criticize it. There's NO hate toward Ubuntu. There are criticisms. Criticism is not hate. Hate is not criticism.

if the criticism is mindless and disproportionate I think hate is a fair label. Nobody on earth can tell me they care about a single line of text advertising a premium service of the application they are currently using which is provided to them for free.

Ubuntu has always received a strange amount of lowbrow criticism probably because it's one of the dominant distros in the linux space. I remember how everyone despised Unity with a passion until it was gone, and then suddenly a substantial amount of people wanted it back.

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Post by mxkopy »

compsciphd wrote: post #45
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news. Except, snap can't update applications while they are running! i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it,…

I thought it was really funny when I tried to update some stuff with the snap gui, and it threw the error - "Can't update snap-store, the application is running" or something like that

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by davet91 »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #219
Mikeb85 wrote: post #175

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> Fedora is very much NOT an all-ready-out-of-the-box experience, unless you are a FLOSS dev. Nah it's pretty close if you have an integrated Intel or AMD system, you really don't need closed-source drivers for much except Nvidia these days. Chrome is in the non-free Fedora repositories (or can be installed easily from the website with an .rpm) and that's all most normal users need.

Do they stroll restrict nonfree audio/video codecs? I would use fedora, but I want my repository set limited to trusted sources only. Core repositories are RedHat endorsed, afaict the user managed ones are not. I want the ability to say that packages are from maintainers that are well trusted in a court of law. I cannot do that with fedora due to this, Ubuntu seems to be my only solution and it’s rapidly becoming unu…

> Do they still restrict nonfree audio/video codecs?

Yes they do. If you don't like to use RPMfusion you could use something like the mpv flatpak from flathub that has all codecs bundled.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by jrm4 »

Aha, so we're at Ubuntu sucks now because of snaps? Sonny, I'm old enough to remember when Ubuntu sucked because of Unity. :)

Anyway, MX Linux if you're looking for something moderate.

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