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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by registeredcorn »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I'm interested to know: What made you choose Arch over Fedora?

I had a somewhat similar experience to you and tried Fedora first and it works well. Fedora seems to follow the same "just work" direction that Ubuntu aimed/aims for, minus some aspects I wasn't a fan of. Since Fedora worked for me, I never bothered checking out any other distributions. Was there a big draw to Arch over some of the others, or was it just the first one you tried out and stuck with?

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by jrsj »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I’ve been using EndeavourOS lately. It’s less of a distinct distro and more a really convenient Arch installer to get to a usable system quickly. And without all the extra BS of Manjaro — once you’ve installed it, you’re basically just running Arch. It installs packages directly from Arch, etc.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by fulafel »

The regular as clockwork bi-yearly releases are one of the best things about Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the default supported Linux laptop/desktop env in so many tech orgs.

If you use Ubuntu and want to help ensure it works for your env remember to test the upcoming release alphas / betas eg with USB boot stick and file bugs on Launchpad if you notice something broken.

(Same goes for other distros your org may use, eg Debian, Fedora etc)

Snaps mostly work great, and are a great improvement for keepign up to date sw available for people using LTS releases. This and the security improvements brought by the sandboxing greatly overshadow the sometime teething problems of the system.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by [deleted] »

Nullabillity wrote: post #38
bxparks wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu but does not use snap. Doing "a lot more work" to install an OS does not sound appealing.

As Ubuntu gradually snapifies more and more stuff, Mint is either going to start falling behind or have to redo Ubuntu's packages (reducing any benefits of the Ubuntu heritage...). Mint might be an OK stopgap, but I wouldn't call it a long-term solution to Ubuntu's snap infestation. Just like you won't get a good OS by playing whack-a-mole with the various workarounds you have to do to avoid Windows' latest user-host…

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Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by rs_rs_rs_rs_rs »

ss108 wrote: post #40

"It also includes the latest toolchains and applications with a particular focus on the IoT ecosystem." Dude, the OS can't even handle two monitors half the time...

It absolutely can and it sounds to me you're not even than capable of using an easy to use distribution like Ubuntu.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by cgriswald »

compsciphd wrote: post #45
overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

I used to defend snap with the idea that it makes sense for some apps, i.e. "firefox" where updating firefox while its running is bad news. Except, snap can't update applications while they are running! i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it,…

> i.e. try to do a snap refresh while firefox is running, nothing to update, because its running, quit it wait for all processes to die and then refresh, and it will update and cause you to wait 30-60s while it does it, and then you can restart firefox.

Oh, it's worse than that. When there is an update available but firefox is running you get:

> % snap refresh

> All snaps up to date.

It doesn't even tell you there is an update and that you need to close firefox to get it. In fact, it tells you there isn't one.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by xtracto »

ss108 wrote: post #40

"It also includes the latest toolchains and applications with a particular focus on the IoT ecosystem." Dude, the OS can't even handle two monitors half the time...

It's 2022 and you got to go through crazy hoops and loops [1] to use an Nvidia card and an Intel integrated graphics chip in a dual monitor setup. And it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if you are using Nvidia drivers.

Also, I recently tried to configure "touchpad gestures" (3 and 4 finger swipes) and man it was super painful (one method doesn't work (touchegg), the other is archaic and you have to restart the OS to change any settings (libinpu-gestures). Come on... it's 2022.

[1] https://askubuntu.com/questions/593938/how-to-run-both-intel...

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by Mikeb85 »

lvass wrote: post #42
aliqot wrote: post #28

Ubuntu seems to be doing a speedrun of Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

More like continuously trying to reinvent the wheel and giving up.

Yup. Seems like they consistently invent their own thing that's different than what RH/Suse/etc... come up with, then give up and just use that thing (Upstart vs. Systemd, Mir vs. Wayland, Unity vs. Gnome Shell and now Snap will probably lose to Flatpak...).

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by yamtaddle »

overshard wrote: post #5

I used to use Ubuntu for everything and was very happy in the massive Ubuntu ecosystem with a .deb for everything till I was forced to use Snap a few releases ago for installing even some basic utils I used on a daily basis. I then had Snap constantly hang on installs and just break for no apparent reason and waste my time debugging it. It didn't "just work" anymore. Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch…

Snap is so bad that everyone who's not at Canonical (and probably even most of them) can tell it should go away. It's plainly not the right solution.

Re: Ubuntu 22.10 Kinetic Kudu

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Post by brnt »

pantalaimon wrote: post #52
krn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Swapped to Arch and haven't looked back yet, Arch took me a lot more work to get set up but once it was it's been pretty invisible, which is how I like my OS to be. I think that Fedora Workstation[1] is a #1 alternative to Ubuntu in terms of smoothness and ease of use. And if .deb is a requirement – then simply Debian. [1] https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/

eh Fedora requires many additional steps to get hardware accelerated video decoding or proprietary drivers working. With Ubuntu it's all out of the box.

Seconded. Fedora is very much NOT an all-ready-out-of-the-box experience, unless you are a FLOSS dev.
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